Obama v McCain Polling

tmesis2008 · #**881** (**permalink**) 14th October 2008

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Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach

Tmesis2008 it was 180 euro some months ago, before McCain had the nomination sewn up. I have a soft spot for underdogs. And jfk2008, PPP are a Democratic party outfit which is why realclearpolitics has just decided to exclude their and others like Strategic Vision (Republican) from being included in their polling averages as of 11th October, and their findings of a national tie among Whites is contradicted by pretty much everyone else.

You know, I think that was a good bet at the time. I did always think that Obama would come through, and McCain might still manage to reel in some of the lead, but, barring a major event, I think Obama has it in the bag.

My God, but McCain did everything to help Obama out:

*selecting Palin who turned out to be a gift to the Obama campaign
* completely misplaying the economy issue ("the fundamentals of the economy....er...people of the economy...are strong)
*"That One" (and other moments of appearing less that presidential compared to his cooler, calmer opponent)
* His recent, desperate "Who is Obama anyway" strategy and his new "I am the underdog...."

Unless he does something to check Obama in the last debate he is heading for a landslide defeat IMO.

hiding behind a poster · #**882** (**permalink**) 14th October 2008

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Originally Posted by tmesis2008

Unless he does something to check Obama in the last debate he is heading for a landslide defeat IMO.

Indeed. RealClearPolitics' polling average has Obama a whopping 7.4% ahead nationwide.

FutureTaoiseach · #**883** (**permalink**) 14th October 2008

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Originally Posted by tmesis2008

You know, I think that was a good bet at the time. I did always think that Obama would come through, and McCain might still manage to reel in some of the lead, but, barring a major event, I think Obama has it in the bag.

My God, but McCain did everything to help Obama out:

*selecting Palin who turned out to be a gift to the Obama campaign
* completely misplaying the economy issue ("the fundamentals of the economy....er...people of the economy...are strong)
*"That One" (and other moments of appearing less that presidential compared to his cooler, calmer opponent)
* His recent, desperate "Who is Obama anyway" strategy and his new "I am the underdog...."

Unless he does something to check Obama in the last debate he is heading for a landslide defeat IMO.

Obama has also given a gift to McCain by telling a plumber earning more than $250,000 that on tax, 'we should spread the wealth'. Que Republican attack ads and a talking point in tomorrow's debate.

hiding behind a poster · #**884** (**permalink**) 14th October 2008

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Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach

Obama has also given a gift to McCain by telling a plumber earning more than $250,000 that on tax, 'we should spread the wealth'. Que Republican attack ads and a talking point in tomorrow's debate.

Yeah, like Ohio and Coloradio are full of soft-Democrat millionaire plumbers.

FutureTaoiseach · #**885** (**permalink**) 14th October 2008

Obama can kiss goodbye to Florida now:

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PREPARE for a new America: That's the message that the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.
He promised "fundamental changes" in US foreign policy - saying America must "heal wounds" it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the "arrogance of the Bush administration."
The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where "decades of putting Israel's interests first" would end.
Jackson believes that, although "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" remain strong, they'll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.
"Obama is about change," Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. "And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it."
Jackson warns that he isn't an Obama confidant or adviser, "just a supporter." But he adds that Obama has been "a neighbor or, better still, a member of the family." Jackson's son has been a close friend of Obama for years, and Jackson's daughter went to school with Obama's wife Michelle.
"We helped him start his career," says Jackson. "And then we were always there to help him move ahead. He is the continuation of our struggle for justice not only for the black people but also for all those who have been wronged."
Will Obama's election close the chapter of black grievances linked to memories of slavery? The reverend takes a deep breath and waits a long time before responding.
"No, that chapter won't be closed," he says. "However, Obama's victory will be a huge step in the direction we have wanted America to take for decades."
Jackson rejects any suggestion that Obama was influenced by Marxist ideas in his youth. "I see no evidence of that," he says. "Obama's thirst for justice and equality is rooted in his black culture."
But is Obama - who's not a descendant of slaves - truly a typical American black?
Jackson emphatically answers yes: "You don't need to be a descendant of slaves to experience the oppression, the suffocating injustice and the ugly racism that exists in our society," he says. "Obama experienced the same environment as all American blacks did. It was nonsense to suggest that he was somehow not black enough to feel the pain."
Is Jackson worried about the "Bradley effect" - that people may be telling pollsters they favor the black candidate, but won't end up voting for him?
"I don't think this is how things will turn out," he says. "We have a collapsing economy and a war that we have lost in Iraq. In Afghanistan, we face a resurgent Taliban. New threats are looming in Pakistan. Our liberties have been trampled under feet . . . Today, most Americans want change, and know that only Barack can deliver what they want. Young Americans are especially determined to make sure that Obama wins."
He sees a broad public loss of confidence in the nation's institutions: "We have lost confidence in our president, our Congress, our banking system, our Wall Street and our legal system to protect our individual freedoms. . . I don't see how we could regain confidence in all those institutions without a radical change of direction."
Jackson declines to be more concrete about possible policy changes. After all, he insists, he isn't part of Obama's policy team. Yet he clearly hopes that his views, reflecting the position of many Democrats, would be reflected in the policies of an Obama administration.
On the economic front, he hopes for "major changes in our trading policy."
"We cannot continue with the open-door policy," he says. "We need to protect our manufacturing industry against unfair competition that destroys American jobs and creates ill-paid jobs abroad."
Would that mean an abrogation of the NAFTA treaty with Canada and Mexico?
Jackson dismisses the question as "premature": "We could do a great deal without such dramatic action."
His most surprising position concerns Iraq. He passionately denounces the toppling of Saddam Hussein as "an illegal and unjust act." But he's now sure that the United States "will have to remain in Iraq for a very long time."
What of Obama's promise to withdraw by 2010? Jackson believes that position will have to evolve, reflecting "realities on the ground."
"We should work with our allies in Iraq to consolidate democratic institutions there," he says. "We must help the people of Iraq decide and shape their future in accordance with their own culture and faith."
On Iran, he strongly supports Obama's idea of opening a direct dialogue with the leadership in Tehran. "We've got to talk to tell them what we want and hear what they want," Jackson says. "Nothing is gained by not talking to others."
Would that mean ignoring the four UN Security Council resolutions that demand an end to Iran's uranium-enrichment program? Jackson says direct talks wouldn't start without preparations.
"Barack wants an aggressive and dynamic diplomacy," he says. "He also wants adequate preparatory work. We must enter the talks after the ground has been prepared," he says.
Jackson is especially critical of President Bush's approach to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
"Bush was so afraid of a snafu and of upsetting Israel that he gave the whole thing a miss," Jackson says. "Barack will change that," because, as long as the Palestinians haven't seen justice, the Middle East will "remain a source of danger to us all."
"Barack is determined to repair our relations with the world of Islam and Muslims," Jackson says. "Thanks to his background and ecumenical approach, he knows how Muslims feel while remaining committed to his own faith."

jfk2008 · #**886** (**permalink**) 14th October 2008

Because of course everyone listens to Jessie Jackson.

cyberianpan · #**887** (**permalink**) 14th October 2008

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CBS
Poll: Obama Opens 14-Point Lead On McCain

CBS News/New York Times Survey Shows Major Swing Among Independents, Suggests McCain's Strategy May Be Hurting Him

The Obama-Biden ticket now leads the McCain-Palin ticket 53 percent to 39 percent among likely voters, a 14-point margin. One week ago, prior to the Town Hall debate that uncommitted voters saw as a win for Obama, that margin was just three points.

Read The Complete CBS News/NY Times Poll On The Presidential Race

On raising taxes - an area where a Republican nominee might be expected to have an edge - Obama also leads. Despite the McCain campaign's efforts to cast Obama as a tax-raiser, more registered voters say McCain is likely to raise their taxes (51 percent) than say Obama will raise their taxes (46 percent).

Just 7 percent of registered voters say their opinion of McCain has improved recently, while 21 percent say it has gotten worse. The numbers are nearly reversed for Obama: Seventeen percent say their opinion of Obama has improved in recent weeks, while 7 percent say it has declined.

But with more than four out of five of each candidate’s supporters now saying their minds are made up, the poll suggests that McCain faces serious challenges as he looks to close the gap on his Democratic rival in the final three weeks of the campaign.

Obama is winning everything there...

cYp

FutureTaoiseach · #**888** (**permalink**) 14th October 2008

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Originally Posted by jfk2008

Because of course everyone listens to Jessie Jackson.

Fox will make sure of it.

southwestkerry · #**889** (**permalink**) 14th October 2008

Obama... the best con man since Tricky Dickey.
Mark my words proven to be the biggest liability ever if he gets the job.

cyberianpan · #**890** (**permalink**) 14th October 2008

Palin hurt McCain badly in the CBS / NYT poll

Her favourable plummeted post Troopergate down from 40 to 32%

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Fav, Not Fav , Undecided , Haven’t heard enough , no answer

10/3-5/08* CBS 40 32 12 15 1
10/10-13/08*___32 41 16 10 -

And 21% of respondents said their opinion of McCain had changed for the worst over the past 2 weeks with Palin featuring big:

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What is the main reason your opinion of John McCain has changed over the past couple of weeks?
__________________ %
Attacks on opponent 23
Sarah Palin 22
Debate performance 10
Economic policy/Tax policy 10
Health care policy 10
Erratic/unsteady 10
Handling attacks from opponent 3
Not prepared/experience/knowledge Other 8
DK/NA 2

So Palin now appears to be a drag on his campaign.

cYp

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