Interesting question about the Luas, that might apply to buses also. However, the blurb refers to " motorists" which may not include public transport.

DCC say its introduction is to make streets safer, then surely a speeding bus or luas is just as dangerous as a car for pedestrians or cyclists.

I am still in favour though.

The speed limit is one piece of stupidity. The greatest stupidity of all is the new Beckett bridge which you cant't turn left onto from the quays. That is almost definitely to ensure that NTR continue to cream it on the toll bridge. (I hope Shane Ross does an FoI request on recent correspondence between City Council and NTR about it.) It renders the Beckett bridge next to useless. What a awful bunch of wasters we have running this kip.

Heard on the radio (PK I think) in the week that the "no left turn" on Beckett was a condition of planning by an Bord Pleanala. No reason why though. So FOI to them might be in order if you are in the mood for it.

I would suggest a simple campaign of civil disobedience and of course bombard you local councillors over this idiocy

Expect a Garda Traffic van to collect revenue (rip - off road users) whilst doing nothing for road safety

The entire cycle lanes throughout Dublin are a dangerous farce for road users so idiotic 30kph restrictions allow DCC to appear to be doing something rather than achieve anything.
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Transportation & Traffic Committee
This committee prepares and debates policy alternatives for transport and traffic affairs for Dublin City Council.

Michael Philips, (Director of Traffic / City Engineer) has administrative responsibility for this committee.

Members
Cllr. Andrew Montague (Lab.) - Chairperson
Cllr. Aine Clancy (Lab.)
Cllr. Maria Parodi (Lab.)
Cllr. Michael Conaghan (Lab.)
Cllr. Henry Upton (Lab.)
Cllr. Edie Wynne (F.G.)
Cllr. Mary O’Shea (F.G.)
Cllr. Eoghan Murphy (F.G.)
Cllr. Mary Fitzpatrick (F.F.)
Cllr. Larry O’Toole (S.F.)

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Isn't it just a pile of pig crap. You would swear that Dublin city centre is a slaughter house. Pieces of human remain scattered everywhere like some demented MAD MAX style road movie. Death Race!

More people were killed at far slower speeds in Dublin. Take the mass injury and death caused by a rouge bus on the Quays a few years back, And the cyclist milled by a truck moving very slowly indeed.

What about the crash between the Luas and a Bus a number of months ago?
Lets say that again will we?
What about the crash between the Luas and a Bus a number of months ago?


This regulation is total BOLLOCKS and the AA agree. And that say's it all.

Fact is, more people have been injured by state owned or part operated public transport vehicles in Dublin than by private motorists. Another example of making Joe Public pay for government f******************** ups

Who's the we ..? the select few PS workers with free car parking.... Well heeled Trinity students.... Drug dealers .... certainly not the vast majority of Dubliners

So no food stuffs DIY electrical goods , no butchers fishmongers or veg shops should be in the city centre according to you ........ just so a few fringe lunatics can ride their bikes ermmm the exact same way as they do now

What about those of us that require equipment to work and dont work in the same place every day (you know thw ones that pay DCC a fortune in road tax and tariffs)

What about those that aren't beside a great bus lane

What about those that are mobiley impaired

\What about those that have bought apartments and expensive car parking spaces, planning permission courtesy of DCC

All those families now having to leave the greater Dublin hell even earlier due to DCC's cackhanded planning (and anyone saying it adds a minute on is talking bollox DCC have altered the light sequences to faster changes which slows traffic even further ... I know I attempted 30kmph today and it took 14 mins to get from Pearse st across the new (defunct waste of money) bridge to the Drumcondra rd ON a traffic free Sunday, )

Kids left at school even earlier ffs

What about all those shops and business that pay DCC a fortune.....

And all those people about to lose their jobs not because of recession but because of a few car hating idealogues in charge want to ban cars and will drive most Dubliners out into the shopping malls

Mind you they never close their own car park ... nice free 500 spaces for DCC employees

In a country with a mindboggling array of bad planning decisions this one ranks up there with the most stupid

Hopefully it will cause people to realise how utterly inept our council is and lose Labour a bucket load of votes in the next election

You forgot the tens of thousands who use Public transport to get to work every day. or the tens of thousands who cycle and walk to work in the city every day

Well if it has an impact on the lunatics who treat Tara St as a speedway every morning then great. Pity they didn't extend it back to the Westland row junction of Pearse st

That argument may apply to restrictions such as College Green Bus Gate but not really to this speed limit

MOst of the city lives within 15 minutes walk of a decent bus service. Most. Not all.

What's the argument there?

It means their immediate environments are better and safer

Why do they have to leave earlier? The new speed limit ha been extended to a few more streets, upon which average speed is currently half the new limit.

How long does Pearse St to Drumcondra take on a Wedneday morning or afternoon and how will the new spped limit affect this journey? I'll give you the answer. It won't.

Average speed is 14kph in town. It will make no difference

No impact

Where have cars been banned in this proposal? And where have they been banned without enhancing access for far more people?

100% agree.

Even if I agreed with you on the substance of this post, I could not possibly agree with this bit . DCC live in one far worse than this and recently puked on Dame St themselves with Robocop

Hmm, I doubt that.


Overall bru, I accept a lot of the points you raised in relation to commercial vehicles but I think we will get to the end of next week and realise that this is a massive fuss over nothing., As with the predicitions of disaster for Dublin Bikes, as with the carnage forecast with on-street trams etc etc, we will see zero-impact and Conor Faughnan and the DCBA will merely slink back and wait for the next "outrage" to surface.

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Next up should be the closure of ALL free parking for employees within the same ring as the new kph zone.

I can tell you that will cause a riot. Don't you think all those taking cars to work would prefer a 30kph rule and still have their parking? Red Herring. Get rid of free parking and there will be a new mindset.

I admit for commercial traffic there may be problems. I also alluded to the lack of integrated public transport, but that is on the way hopefully.

I accept people will be raging initially, but the city is not for rat running or Brands Hatch style driving.

Slowly, slowly the wheel will turn (maybe not on all tyres in the City) so hey, it's like th PS paycuts, there is nothing we can do. NAMA will have so much more of an impact on ours, our children's etc. lives, but I don't see much worry about that from drivers in the City Centre.

Perspective.

That already have dedicated bus lanes, cycle lanes and Busgate....there are other people that need to use the city centre ffs.... show me how this benefits them in any way...this is about nothing but punishing people for driving... Montague was on the radio and could provide zero scientific or factual proof that this improves safety for cyclists (proof not opinion) in fact he changed tack half way through because he was caught lying, initially he said it was for safety , then said it wasn't about safety it was about attractiveness....have a listen to him making a gob********************e of himself
http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2010/pc/p...thpatkenny.mp3

Any Lunatics could easily be prosecuted under the myriad of driving laws we have... an irrelevant argument... if they break the law now this isn't going to make any difference to them... what it will do is criminalise the vast majority of decent drivers.... this speed limit exists in no other major city and certainly in no other capital

Really... a nice assumption to make when your livelihood and the amount yoou can earn doesn't depend on an ability to move quickly from one job to another.... given that ive seen DCC's traffic light tinkering first hand today I can assure you that Montague is once again lying through his teeth when he says its worth 1 minute extra


You think the Bus service is decent....seriously.... and those from outside the city.... you know the ones that have to commute due to DCC's cackhanded planning....screw them eh... as long as Trinners students can cycle on empty roads hair billowing in the breeze ... such fun farquar



That they will be inconvinienced by the new regs with longer journey times ... its fairly simple



by who's standards ... oh the the cycling lobbies ... and after all they now dictate for everyone in Labours new city order... cyclists first then Public Transport users Pedestrians and the rest are anti social misfits that need reeducation

D'uh slowing already slow travel times so people have to leave early.... its fairly basic math

I know planners and their supporters are incapable of believing that we dont all have 9=5 numbers Mon to Friday, commute to an office, never leave and take the weekend off (friend clamped 9pm last fri delivering outside westbury loading bay full of cars not clamped) so after 10 before 4 and after 7 until 7am I'm expected to travel up the quays at 16 mph FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It will!!!



Again try to get your head away from 3 rush hours in a 24 hour day... I know it seems tricky but believe me life goes on in this city 24/7



You said the same on Busgate and DCC had to pedal furiously backwards in December ... the sop for January was the beckett bridge would give drivers an alternative but growing anger at that enormous and useless white elephant is growing too



The arrogance of knowing better than those that actually see the till receipts eh? Busgate no impact then why was it removed for christmas
Slowgate... same thing and will eventually be repealed as its a nonsense






Even if I agreed with you on the substance of this post, I could not possibly agree with this bit . DCC live in one far worse than this and recently puked on Dame St themselves with Robocop.[/QUOTE]
Im afraid i haven't a clue what your referring to


Was working today and forgotten about it tbh until 4pm change over when 3 staff came in spitting fury ... never heard a political word (or such cursing) from these 3 ladies of a certain age before but all were absolutely livid... and thats a traffic quiet sunday... given the Snow incompetence, the water shortages many are fuming . Labours councillors are in serious danger of damaging Lab TD's prospects


The Busgate arguement hasn't been won yet and your overlooking the massive retraction over christmas,add to that the Beckett Bridge fiasco and now 18mph and for many this will be a step too far... it has no rational basis , no scientific basis, and is driven by a coterie of dishonest idealogue councillors that haven't got the balls to admit that the're trying to ban Cars from Dublin....

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We need to radically change every system that has enabled the wholesale destruction of the Irish landscape, rural and urban. There is no time for incremental step by step measures. The systems have failed utterly and the only hope for a real recovery requires the rule book to be torn up completely.