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The beginning of the end of the GFA

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You seem to think that the majority of people on the island would vote to force Unionists to join a United Ireland against their will.
But Unionists can force the majority to accept partition against their will?
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Do you know what democracy is? A bunch of malcontents forcing the will of the majority through force is not democracy.
You mean like the Brits forcing partition on us against the will of the majority with the threat of violence if we didn't agree to it.
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Will the Unionists accept the All Ireland decision? No.
Will the state hold the referendum? No.

How would you advocate bringing about a UI in the circumstances you have outlined?
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Correct, but not using violence!
The violence is a direct response to foreign occupation. As it has been for centuries.
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Factual while I like you accept the GFA despite its many imperfections I have to say that Truth.ie has historical accuracy when it comes to our party and the 1922 Treaty. Perhaps it is time for us to apologise to FG?
My point though is not that a party cannot adopt a minority position but that in a democracy the majorty position must be respected.
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But Unionists can force the majority to accept partition against their will?
You presume minority support for partition on the island.
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It is very hard at the moment being a republican who rejects violence but nevertheless agrees with much of the analysis of people like Truth.ie and Amach na Casca. While I accept the wishes of the people and support the GFA as an imperfect stopgap I do concede that those republicans that reject it have quite a sound historical analysis to back their claims.

However I just don't know how the can even think about supporting another armed campaign. It won't work. After 9/11 the governments of the west especially are committed to suppressing what the call "terror". Any dissent will be quashed not only by the reactionary forces in Ireland and the UK but worldwide. Peaceful opposition to the GFA is not only justifiable but very understandable. A return to the hell that we have come from will not be permitted by either the nationalist/republican people or indeed the reactionaries/state forces. Please think again if you are supporting armed struggle or trying to get other people to support it.
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The violence is a direct response to foreign occupation. As it has been for centuries.
It is still wrong!!
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It is very hard at the moment being a republican who rejects violence but nevertheless agrees with much of the analysis of people like Truth.ie and Amach na Casca. While I accept the wishes of the people and support the GFA as an imperfect stopgap I do concede that those republicans that reject it have quite a sound historical analysis to back their claims.

However I just don't know how the can even think about supporting another armed campaign. It won't work. After 9/11 the governments of the west especially are committed to suppressing what the call "terror". Any dissent will be quashed not only by the reactionary forces in Ireland and the UK but worldwide. Peaceful opposition to the GFA is not only justifiable but very understandable. A return to the hell that we have come from will not be permitted by either the nationalist/republican people or indeed the reactionaries/state forces. Please think again if you are supporting armed struggle or trying to get other people to support it.
They don't have a sound analysis because a vast majority of people voted to support the GFA.
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How would you advocate bringing about a UI in the circumstances you have outlined?
By allowing an All Ireland referendum on unity. Free from British threats of car bombs in Dublin (see Mo Mowlam 1998).
All the Nationalist parties throughout the island could call for a Yes vote (as they currently pay lip service to).
The Unionists could call for a No vote. The biggest vote wins.
Quite simple. If it's a Yes vote the British must accept this, and make provisions to leave via a declaration of intent to withdraw, and a date, as they did in Hong Kong.
If the majority of the island vote No, I too will accept this, and emigrate to Mexico or as far and exotic as possible, but there must be no British interference in the referendum.
The British left Hong Kong, despite the majority of those living in Hong Kong wishing to keep the Union incidentally.
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