On this forum and others you see almost CONSTANTLY the unionists bringing up the IRA and what they done and who they killed etc they really give the impression the IRA's campaign has really dug so much into their psyche and culture it is their ultimate bogeyman for almost anything

Even on super loyalist scum sites like Calton Radio (which the member stevey2005 here is a proud member and has donated money to it) the great bulk of their paranoid, racist and anti-catholic bigotry is about the IRA and how the IRA are responsible for every single thing that goes against them.

All I can see is it must be crap to be a unionist and also must be a handy tool to scare their kids with the IRA into behaving a little better

The IRA certainly has had a greater effect on the loyalists and unionist community as a whole than any loyalist could do to the nationalists or could EVER do in this day and age.

The loyalists are still meant to have a siege mentality stemming from the siege of Derry in 1689 that's 308 years ago. Considering the Provo's surrendered only 8 years ago, we can expect more of the PIRA being used as an excuse for their backward thinking for the next 300 years or so.

I would imagine that they think it is quite incredulous that anyone would not be happy with 'their' rule and more so that they had the croppies brought to heel so that they can't believe that people would stand up to them!

Plus the Irish people were subjected to many more years of oppression and had longer to come to terms with the effect this has had on them, even at that we see the 'Stockholm syndrome' effect it has had on many as they constantly look to Britain and hold it in such high esteem. This is quite evident in the 'sindo' types and West British behaviour we see in Ireland. These people have been so corrupted by the British influence that they don't even see the effects it has had on them!

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The Stockholm effect is very powerful. Look at Patty Hearst, the heiress who was kidnapped. She was politicised during her time in captivity and went on to join the terrorist group who kidnapped her.

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Fianna FAIL are on their way to oblivion.

Sure even the dogs on the street know they're the most oppressed supremacists on Earth.

their mentality these days has become, "how can we undemine the legitimacy of the Nationalist greviences and victimisation?"


And the answer they have come up with is to pretend to the world that they were the victims all along, that it wasn't Catholics being oppressed but Protestants....wow what a revelation eh?

What really disgusts me however is how the supine lick arses in the Southern media especially Tony O Reilleys Sindo et al, fall over themselves to write these fawning tributes to people like Paisley. Sure isnt he a grand fella really?

I recently read a piece by Myers in the independant wherein he claimed that the unarmed Tomas McSweeny deserved to be shot by the Black and Tans and that it wasan entirely justified murder.

if he had of wrote this 15 or 20 years ago in the good old days under Charlie he wouldn't have lasted long before his asss was run out of town on a rail.

Sickening.

we didn't have free speech then?

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That's complete nonsense. I disagree with you.

maybe you should look up the defintion of free speech.

i don't think using "free speech" to publicly praise murder is really free speech.

if i was to write a peice saying for example that lord mountbatten deserved to be blown up would you defend my right to say that as free speech also? or that the Omagh victims had it coming?

wake up and don't be such an ignoramus....your comment is despicable.

Many Unionists have been in-doctrinated with a fear of Nationalism, true the IRA being the manifestation of many peoples beliefs did nothing to appease this but this has been played upon by both politicians and community leaders.

I feel sorry for mainstream Unionists, of whom I know many, who believe they have been sold-out by their "leaders" purely because they choose to recognise that nationalists deserve a say in how their taxes are spent.

Briongloid, we cant censor people purely because they write something that we disagree with.

er so i am to understand that you would approve of a piece written (theorertically of course) saying that the omagh victims deserved to be blown up and that they they had it coming? you'd be cool with that?

Free speech has limits, subject to public order and morality, and a peice of garbage like myers using a paper to advocate murder is a definite violation of free speech and and affront to public morality. i believe a case taken against the indo and him over this would probably succeed.
writing a piece advocating murder is called a hate crime. you can't do that.

if i was to write a piece saying the jews deserved to die and the holocaust was justified would that be ok as free speech/

you'd people would p*sss ur pants if i did and theres no way you'd be ok with that....you'd scream free speech doesn't include anti semitism.

well it doesn't include advocating the murder of irish catholic mayors either...

It was Tomas McCurtain who as Lord Mayor of Cork was shot in front of his wife and children early one morning. To me that is what Poppy Day is about - commemorating those who shoot people dead, an elected Lord Mayor at that, in front of their family.

Terence McSweeny succeeded Tomas McCurtain as Lord Mayor and died on hunger strike after being arrested.

Personally I feel Kevin Myers has all the big persuasive words and facts but his to me his articles are never balanced and occasionally inaccurate, even an acknowledgment of the other side's reasons for doing things would help.