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English people who support a UI?

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English (And most British) people spend remarkably little time thinking about Ireland or its people. I would say that to them "no news from Ireland is good news"

They don't care one way or the other. If they knew how much it was costing them then the probably would care, but the cost is kept well and truly swept uder the carpet.

I do think that their is a collective guilt in the British psyche regarding its past in Ireland and this explains why they do not want to dwell on their historical activities in Ireland. Would you ?.
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English (And most British) people spend remarkably little time thinking about Ireland or its people. I would say that to them "no news from Ireland is good news"

They don't care one way or the other. If they knew how much it was costing them then the probably would care, but the cost is kept well and truly swept uder the carpet.

I do think that their is a collective guilt in the British psyche regarding its past in Ireland and this explains why they do not want to dwell on their historical activities in Ireland. Would you ?.
A very interesting point. The handwringing about the colonial past is especially pervasive in classrooms and lecture-halls. And the BBC

I always got the feeling that they worry about it more than the French or the Belgians, who after all, were no better than them.
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An Phoblacht had an english editor for a while (back in the proper bad old days, i think).
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I can think of Tony Benn,the late Paul Foot, and the writers Liz Curtis and Geoffrey Bell.
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I can think of Tony Benn,the late Paul Foot, and the writers Liz Curtis and Geoffrey Bell.
Red Ken, Clare Short, Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Mullin (presumably), Kevin McNamara
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I think you might be going back a bit further than me, apologies if not. But I think awareness/fondness was a lot wider amongst the younger people by the mid-Nineties, and far from all of them that I knew had any Irish blood.

I remember the HMV in Oxford packed out one daytime for the Saw Doctors live. The Cranberries were huge too. But that's students for you This was around the time Roy Foster was made Carroll professor, and Heaney was around a fair bit.

I couldn't go to the kebab van without some posh totty hearing my accent and asking me to say something in Gaelic for her... marvellous.
that would be the Boyzone/Westlife/Riverdance effect - remember it well. you cant underestimate how those things seriously changed the image of Ireland big time in England.

as for the original question - have yet to meet a single English person who doesnt support a united Ireland. most quite frankly couldnt give a stuff about the place and would rather have their own independent England.
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An Phoblacht had an english editor for a while (back in the proper bad old days, i think).
that wouldnt surprise me - Irish nationalism has always been strongly supported by the English left.
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English (And most British) people spend remarkably little time thinking about Ireland or its people. I would say that to them "no news from Ireland is good news"

They don't care one way or the other. If they knew how much it was costing them then the probably would care, but the cost is kept well and truly swept uder the carpet.

I do think that their is acollective guilt in the British psyche regarding its past in Ireland and this explains why they do not want to dwell on their historical activities in Ireland. Would you ?.
I'll never forget what happened after the docklands bomb went off in about 95 or 96. went into work in London, and i swear to god - the English were apologising TO ME.. for getting involved in Ireland and "we're shouldnt be there" , and "we should get out"..

unbelievable.

and light years away from the 1970s "no dogs no blacks no irish"
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English (And most British) people spend remarkably little time thinking about Ireland or its people. I would say that to them "no news from Ireland is good news"
the BBC television news , year after year, consistently ignores St Patricks Day.

the enormous parades in Savannagh, Georgia and New York dont get a mention - even on the 24 hour news channel.

i have noticed this for years now.

its a real pity that RTE hasnt got its act together in order to re-broadcast to the Irish community in England. if anything, it would do wonders for tourism - and god knows, Ireland needs all the help it can get right now.
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Tony Benn and Jeffrey Archer are the only 2 I know who supported UI, maybe Kevin McNamara
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