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This is a discussion on English people who support a UI? within the Northern Ireland forums, part of the Regional Discussion category on Politics.ie. Originally Posted by SevenStars Are you sure? Are you sure you werent saying something...well honest ? Why do shy? Yes, ...
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It doesn't mean I disavow the sentiments expressed, but I'm making allowances for your lack of common sense and judgement, and you can't stop me I'm very far from shy. |
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Is your class capable of not being patronizing? Its a cliche because its true...Our day will come. Last edited by SevenStars; 27th September 2009 at 06:47 AM. |
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| Uh...I believe that song was Crass's rejection of pacifism? |
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Devolution is slowly killing the UK. A Tory victory at the next general election will help it on its way. |
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| One song is not enough. But here’s Penny Rimbaud from much later… Crass seemed, at times, to confuse politically and in other ways. Why do you think this was? Certainly, towards the end we thought, we’ve done the records, the gigs and the label, we had then started directly promoting things like ‘Stop The City’. Where do you go from there? Do you start blowing things up?" And do you? "Well, we looked at all these possibilities but in the end — and the failure of the miners’ strike helped us realise this — you can do a load of direct action but so what? You end up hurting people. The media prints what it wants even if it can get the information and the system remains intact." By this time you were not pacifist, obviously? "It started with the Falklands. A lot of people were pacifist when there was nothing to be pacifist about but afterwards we came out of it certainly more dedicated to direct action — such as ‘Stop The City’ and promoting sabotage and violence to property, which many pacifists would disagree with. We even considered, then, use of controlled violence, whatever that is, against people who wouldn’t get out of the way. It’s not far from that that you say ‘blast the bastards’ and you lose your own sense of direction." http://www.uncarved.org/music/apunk/offbeat.html Hardly an unequivocal position, would you say ? Earlier… Perry Rimbaud… the hippy movement's influence on Crass. http://www.1969histoiresdeparfums.com/blog/tag/pacifism-flower-power/ An interesting discussion on class analysis, whether or not Crass perhaps ignored class politics, their pacifist strain as a rejection of glib romanticisation of violence… http://www.southern.com/southern/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1432 1979, Crass reject left-wing anti-Fascist violence… http://bashtherichfilm.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/crass-conway-hall-mr-lux/ 1979, the centrality of ''Anarchy and Peace'', in Crass http://www.swanseapunk.co.uk/page3.html And let’s not forget that Marx fvcks. http://www.songlyrics.com/crass/sucks-lyrics/ Luckily for us though, you have all the answers. Last edited by the impossibilist; 27th September 2009 at 01:31 PM. |
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| Off topic, but my favourite Crass noise: Plus I have the 7 inch original of: Now, get back on topic... |
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| Most of my English friends and relatives don't really give a monkeys, They abhor the Ira and loyalist murderers but they dont confuse them with ordinary people. They don't have a vast knowledge of Ireland or an Interest beyond the odd holiday. The general feeling among them is that if the people of the north want to leave the Union then they will leave. I never feel anything but welcome in England, only a few people have said "oi paddy" and its always been with a laugh and a one off. Reading this site, it seems to me we spend far more time thinking about them than they do about us, and if anyone is going to stereotype or insult anyone its more likely to come from our side. However the internet is never a good barometer of a nation.
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