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This is a discussion on Irish Political Review Versus Irish Times within the Media forums, part of the General Discussion category on Politics.ie. For a long time, the small group around the “Irish Political Review” magazine, Athol Books and the Aubane Historical Society ...
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| For a long time, the small group around the “Irish Political Review” magazine, Athol Books and the Aubane Historical Society has been aggressively critical of the Irish Times, accusing it of being pro-British and anti-Fianna Fail. But things look set to get more heated, with Minister of State Conor Lenihan invited to speak at Athol Books’ launch of a new book attacking The Irish Times. http://www.atholbooks.org/book_launch.php The book-“The Irish Times: Past and Present” by John Martin is advertised as a critical history of the Irish Times, with a strong emphasis on the correspondence between Major McDowell and the British Ambassador about Douglas Gageby.* The book purports to be a history of the Irish Times as well as the Anglo-Irish and Irish Nationalism.It also claims to analyse the Paper’s “power structure”. Publicity claims that “The resignation of Ahern is only the latest coup inflicted by the newspaper on democratically elected Irish leaders.” The book pretentiously bills itself as “essential for understanding…the dynamics of Irish society.” My own take on it is that the IPR group is simply trying to ingratiate itself with the right wing of Fianna Fail by bashing the IT’s coverage of FF. Some Background info on the organisation: viewtopic.php?p=977495 and on the IPR’s attacks on the IT here: http://splinteredsunrise.wordpress.com/ ... ish-times/ *As Miriam Cotton has noted: “the IPR is obsessed with its own discovery of the McDowell/UK government connection and is now regularly in the habit of drawing connections between that sad affair and just about anything that happens in Irish public life: everything is now a dastardly UK plot. By this logic the IPR has ended up arguing that the UK is somehow behind Bertie's mismanagement of his affairs - or of bringing those affairs into the public domain, at least.” |
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| IPR, originating I think in Belfast, comes with Labour Comment, born in Cork. It's a schizophrenic combination which serves only to confuse. The IPR obsession with the Irish Times borders on the fanatical at times. LC seems to lash out at the mainstream, pro - national agreement stream of trade unionism. It used to be vehementically critical of the Provo's but has laid off that tack for some time now. Read them and be non-plussed ! |
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| Another book they're republishing is the infamous "Notes on Eire" book attacking Elizabeth Bowen-the first edition was ripped to shreds by critics such as Neil Corcoran and Maud Ellman for its factual inaccuracies (ignoring Bowen's defense of Irish Neutrality in the "New Statesman"),and poor production. Then there was the ruckus they kicked up a few months ago over the "Hidden History" documentary, with several members filing unsuccessful complaints against the program: http://www.bcc.ie/decisions/feb_08_decisions.html With the renewal of attack on the IT and the republication of the Bowen book, we must ask why? I think they're trying to get attention and influence, but for what? Keep FF in government? Seats in the Senate? The Irish Times burnt to the ground and its fields sown with salt? Elizabeth Bowen's corpse dug up and shipped off to Essex? |
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| When I read the Irish Political Review's stuff on The Irish Times it reminds me of the excretible Captain Feehan and his nutty books praising Haughey and attacking Fine Gael. The moron's most infamous heap of sh1te was about "operation brogue", a fictitious account of a made-up British plot against Haughey spun by a few journalists to the gullible Feehan over a few jars. The nutter fell for it and published the book, which even FFers laughed at. When his hero then dealt with the British post 1987 Feehan finally realised he had been sold a pup and wrote a hilarious "Apology to the Irish People" book. It was a scream. Ah, how we all miss the paranoid ramblings of Captain Feehan. (And don't worry, David. Captain Feehan is gone to that great conspiracy theorist heaven in the sky where he is no doubt regaling St Peter with stories about how the crucifixion of Christ was all the responsibility of MI6 as part of a plot to bring down FF and prevent Irish unity! Johnny used to believe that sort of paranoid ********************e. If it rained on his washing, he was convinced Thatcher had ordered it to get him back for outing 'Operation Brogue'. Unfortunately he never copped on that the Republicans who wound him up with the story called it 'operation brogue' as an in-joke referring to his own rather strong accent!)
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I had the misfortune to run into Mr. John Martin on Indymedia, after I quoted a book Angela Clifford (Mrs. Brendan Clifford) had written in 1985 attacking Gageby. In the 1985 book “ The Constitutional History of Eire/Ireland” Clifford said that before Gageby became editor: (pg.184) “In those days the “Irish Times” kept up a liberal criticism of the Catholic State. Since the appointment of Douglas Gageby as editor it has been motivated chiefly by a detestation of Ulster Unionism, and has been anxious to explain away the Catholic State in order not to be saying the same thing as the Unionists.” Mr. Martin was furious, calling me "infantile" and denying that McDowell and Clifford had the same political views on this issue. He also claimed McDowell had sought help from the British State and gave me the 10,000,000,000,000th rendition of the "white n*gger" anecdote. But what was Angela Clifford and Major McDowell's shared objection to Douglas Gageby? His critical stance towards the Ulster Unionists-his "detestation" of them? Remember also that the B&ICO/Aubane group praised the activities of the RUC & British Army in NI* and viciously denounced anything that might threaten the British state in NI-which included not only Irish Nationalism and Republicanism ,but Loyalists advocating an independent Northern Ireland (See the notorious Brendan Clifford pamphlet "Against Ulster Nationalism"). And what was the Campaign for Equal Citzenship, if not an attempt to ask the parties of the British State for help in NI? * See, for instance, the Irish Political Review of March 1988, where G. M Williams defends the the imprisonment of the "Birmingham Six" & complains "the various means to control the IRA are made as ineffective as possible-and at the same time are portrayed as something monstrous and tyrannical". Don't worry Dave, I have the photocopy in front of me. |
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Is "excretible" a reference to that "infamous heap of sh1te", or did you mean "execrable" ? |
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| Brendan Clifford had a habit of publishing books in the 1970s to get back at his political opponents (People's Democracy, the SDLP) and he's still continuing the tradition by going after the Irish Times & Roy Foster. Commentator Derek Bell noted in a review of Athol Books' output: I have to admit that I made the mistake of taking Brendan Clifford at face value; the more I read of his writings, the more disturbing I found them. Possibly the worst was one where, in an attempt to spite Roy Foster, he praises the _Catholic Bulletin_, saying it "made Ireland great". In fact, he even tries to argue that the passage from that publication that Foster quoted in the article he's responding to, said that the introduction of contraception would lead to "racial suicide". Now Clifford is quoting something pre-WW2 and he has criticised Hubert Butler for using language post-WW2 that Clifford argued was racist. I'm not sure why, but Clifford didn't comment on the racist tone of the passage in question. I've seen quotes from that publication {the CB} in Marcus Tanner's book _Irelands' Holy Wars_, which certainly give the impression that the _Catholic Bulletin_ contained plenty of material that would have been equally at home in something published by Oswald Mosley. |
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| A brief notice for the book launch on pg. 8 of the "Irish Times" today. Conor Lenihan spoke approvingly of the publication, saying it gave an "alternative view" of the IT and that people would be interested both in this and the IT's official biography. Nothing about the launch, AFAIK, in either the Irish Examiner or the Irish Independent. Out of curiosity, did any P.ie posters turn up to either the Friday or Saturday book launches? Some Indymedia posters said they were going to turn up and challenge Brendan Clifford over his various U-turns. |
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