Exactly for all the rest, but not to this :

Many supporters of the No did not want to vote leftist; and many leftist voters did not turn out to vote.

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My name is Plissken

Wow there was just 1 reason that both countries voted against the Constitution!? What are the odds?

If the French were not happy with Lisbon we would all know about it. It's not like they are afraid to protest or anything. The fact that they haven't plus the fact that they happily (very happily as I recall) elected someone who stated he would ratify Lisbon without a referendum and you have compelling evidence that they were happy enough with the Treaty. That as against absolutely no evidence thus far of them not being happy. If you have some now is the time to share.

It is not your right to demand or insist on referenda in other countries. That is up to them and noone elses. You complain about some apparent loss of sovereignty here but yet you also feel you have the right to ignore the sovereignty of other nations when it suits you. Not avery good quality, hypocracy.

Goodnight.

The majority voted for someone who would ratify a "mini-treaty", by which was meant a constitutional treaty without part III, the economic part.

I suggest then that they have a second referendum, since all important people seem to believe it's ok to have second referenda. You will have your compelling evidence then.

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My name is Plissken

They can't have a second one because it has been ratified already. Either way what you are saying is you have no evidence to back up your claims. Maybe you should think about that before making them yeah?

The Santa War

Well actually you've got it all wrong, I have a posting somewhere on the net which examines the possibility that 2009 will be the year that "radical" Islam will declare War on Santa and things will happen like Syrian fighter aircraft will attempt to shoot down Santa's Sleigh, when its cloaking device fails. I am speaking from my memory of this posting, so I might have some aspects wrong, but I hope that gives the general idea.

Official NORAD Santa Tracker

SANTA SLEIGH INSPECTION

Actually, the above DOT link is rather misleading, as it would give the impression that Santa's sleigh is powered by conventional hydrogen fuel cells, the reality is that Santa's sleigh is driven by an atomic nuclear fusion device. That said, the nuclear fusion motor is only the slow speed engine which provides power when Santa's sleigh is maybe very slowly maneuvering to approach people's roofs and chimneys, to when the sleigh is traveling at near light speeds. For acceleration through the light speed barrier and time travel capability, Santa's sleigh uses a different propulsion technology, the details of which, few are known and those that are, are barely understood.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Oh that's right. My mistake.

I always forget that if a No result is certain, holding a second referendum is not a good idea. Stupid me.

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My name is Plissken

First of all a No result is far from certain. In fact I have seen no evidence, read NONE, that a No would be returned. Secondly a second referendum cannot be held about something that has already happened. They could in theory have a referendum to repeal the ratification, although I don't know the legal ins and outs of such a move.

This really isn't difficult stuff, I can't see why you're having such issues with it.

We were talking about the French referendum in the last messages, and the publicly declared decision to ratify it through parliament, because a No was certain.

Or if you were talking about the French referendum, you should have written "was far from certain" instead of "is far from certain", and "would have been returned" instead of "would be returned".

I know it's late, but try to concentrate.

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My name is Plissken

It was hardly a "free swipe" at the EU but the expression in various ways of some very real concerns about the loss of sovereignty.

Which way though? A lot about the EU is frightening.

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