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This is a discussion on Government in Ireland is a mess: Better say Yes? within the Lisbon Treaty forums, part of the Europe category on Politics.ie. Afaik the LT was supposed to be a 1 shot deal, if it failed the LT was scrapped. By "asking" ...
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| Afaik the LT was supposed to be a 1 shot deal, if it failed the LT was scrapped. By "asking" us to vote for LT again, this government and the EU are ignoring the democratic wishes of the people. That is a damn good reason to vote NO! second time round. Doing anything else sets a precedent that any future referendums can be ignored if the electorate does not vote the "correct" way, and more referendums can be held till the "correct" result is achieved. |
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The Euro-binge is over and Ireland is waking up to the shattering hangover. The Agony Of Ireland… Centurean2’s Weblog |
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Vote no,Europe is giving too many orders even where to graze our sheep or to fish our waters. |
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| What you refer to Ibis is an open discussion at the European level, possibly leading to a new text. Not a national second referendum. However, we now observe in a new light that the sovereign No of a people is named "encountered difficulties". The next time I suggest it would be named "was not sufficiently understood by the population" or, better, "was debated in unsatisfactory conditions".
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Our Constitution dictates that ratification is a matter for the people at referendum. It does not dictate that one referendum precludes another under any circumstances whatsoever, nor does it say that you have to wait some specified period. Therefore, if the government feels that another referendum may lead to ratification, it is bound to run it, simply by virtue of those two facts. The only basis on which the government can turn round and honestly say to the other member states that it has really tried is to ask the people again.
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| "To do their best" in common diplomatic terms meant they had to complete the procedure. It didn't mean they had to turn against their own population at the insistance of foreign powers.
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Also, the government is there to carry out government policy. While it can change that policy if the policy is unpopular, that's quite rightly regarded as populism and flip-flopping under virtually every circumstance but one - the one where one happens to agree with the change. The policy of any conceivable Irish government, including the present one, would be to seek ratification. Finally, of course, circumstances have already changed dramatically over the last 9 months, and bid fair to continue changing. We have stopped riding the tiger.
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