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This is a discussion on Time for Labour and S.P (Joe Higgins) to unite? within the Labour forums, part of the Political Parties category on Politics.ie. Originally Posted by JollyRedGiant ...run by capitalists Not anymore, it is run by bureaucracy, which effectively privatized shareholders money and ...
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The banking crisis didn't have the worst effect in the UK/US by accident and the inequalities in those countries didn't happen by accident. So if we want to reduce inequality then we have to take policy decisions to make it happen. Brown or Cameron won't do it in the UK. Obama won't do it in the US and Kenny certainly won't do it in Ireland, nor will Cowen or Gilmore, and it doesn't mean taking over firms or banning bonuses or anything like that. Simply things such as ending tax loopholes before you start hunting down people cheating benefits, end the pension tax reliefs, discourage single mothers by holding the fathers to account, make sure the rights of children are paramount ie if you do have problem parents then at least a child should be able to have stability in school and free food and clothes if that's what they need etc etc. There are so many ways to alter the system to make it fairer if there was a will to do without destining into some sort of commie/socialist nightmare. |
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| Well if you were to look at the people who are most disadvantaged is it not true that the majority will come from dysfunctional families? I mean mothers with 3 or 4 children by different men none of whom take any financial or emotional responsibility for their children, who in turn grow up to repeat the cycle of never finishing school or being emotionally mature. So if you want to tackle poverty and disadvantage doesn't tackling unplanned pregnacy and families being dependent on state benefits have to be part of the solution as well as tackling unfair tax breaks etc for the rich? So if you have 4 kids and you can't afford to feed them or pay rent or just get on in life why would you then have another kid? If every 'single' mother had financial support from the father would that make people think more about having unplanned children? Why should a man be allowed to walk away from his children while the mother is left to struggle to bring them up? Do you think middle class people have smaller families by accident? No, they have to plan their children in line with their income and their aspirations so why shouldnt' less well off people do the same? I mean if you are a single mother but want to get on in life then why wouldn't you go on the pill or hold the babies father to account financially - why would you struggle while he walks away and gets someone else pregnant? Less well off have to be responsible in some way for the conditions they live? |
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My niece had an unplanned pregancy - I think on purpose but that's another story - so why should the father be allowed walk away while her parents have to pick up the bill and while she lives off benefits and makes no effort to get her life back on track. Even if she has no relationship with the father and he has no involvement with the baby he should still have to pay for the baby. Knowing he is finanically liable might make him buy condoms in future and use them and making the mothers benefits subject to various rules might make them use the pill or insist on condoms. In this day and age there is zero excuse for multiple unplanned pregancies. |
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A single mother has no 'right' to keep having children and adding a greater burder on the rest of us than a city toff has the right to earn millions and walk away when his bank or business goes bust leaving us to pick up the tab. Us being the majority in the middle who plan our number of children and pay all our taxes properly. So while I've no sympathy for the rich boys now losing out equally I have little sympathy for the whining single mother on her 2nd, 3rd, 4th unplanned child. |
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Many young single mothers who are left by their babies father to live in poverty are unaware of any legal help they can get to ensure that a father provides financial support. They feel lost and caught up in the system, which is what they are. The state needs to help these women more. People from working class families, generally grow up to be working class because the opportunities that arise from having money do not apply to them. We need to stop that cycle! Education is the key, I was never given a formal sex education in my life by my school, this needs to change. Also, schools need to be improved to give each and every citizen and equal and excellent education, and a knowledge of the world outside of the typical subjects taught. So don't sit on your high horse because you got lucky. |
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