Sarah Carey - a tonic to Fintan O'Toole's indignity

Supermanpolitician · #1 (**permalink**) 20th May 2009

Excellent article today about the Labour Party, but in reality she having more of a go at her IT colleague Fintan O'Toole than Eamon Gilmore.

Dreamer Gilmore must knuckle down to reality - The Irish Times - Wed, May 20, 2009

Anyone who saw O'Toole on the Late Late couldn't help but think of him as a tad patronising.

121.5 · #2 (**permalink**) 20th May 2009

Carey and her family appear to be compromised....

http://www.politics.ie/1674343-post31.html

this thread is worth a scan

MEATH - Councillors who rezone land

reality.....

Supermanpolitician · #3 (**permalink**) 20th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by 121.5

Carey and her family appear to be compromised....

http://www.politics.ie/1674343-post31.html

this thread is worth a scan

MEATH - Councillors who rezone land

So everybody who voted to rezone land is guilty...of what exactly?

Are you implying bribery? If so, say so. There is nothing wrong with rezoning land if it needs to be rezoned. Do you have any evidence that the land did not need to be rezoned? Do you have any evidence that bribes were made?

Now back to the article, it was excellent and a total tonic to Fintan O'Toole's indignation last week.

121.5 · #4 (**permalink**) 20th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supermanpolitician

So everybody who voted to rezone land is guilty...of what exactly?

Are you implying bribery? If so, say so. There is nothing wrong with rezoning land if it needs to be rezoned. Do you have any evidence that the land did not need to be rezoned? Do you have any evidence that bribes were made?

Now back to the article, it was excellent and a total tonic to Fintan O'Toole's indignation last week.

Read the thread, I have posted the Link and will do so again

MEATH - Councillors who rezone land

There is no shortage of Industrial Land

Why rezone that area?

Have you seen the photos?

There are empty units in Blanchardstown, Dunboyne, Dunshaughlin, Trim, Ashbourne

Industrial zoned land is worth way more than Agricultural land

YOU must ask yourself - whats going on here?

No Lets stick to the words Miss Carey used before and lets decide if these words now implicate her Fathers voting pattern

They are her words.

Quote:

my county councillor father recalled a meeting of Meath County Council back in the 1970s. A councillor was pleading the case of a farmer who had applied for planning permission for two houses on his land.

The farmer owed the then Agricultural Credit Corporation a lot of money - a not uncommon predicament in an era of high interest rates and wildly fluctuating land prices. He also had a daughter. His plan was to sell off one site to pay his debts and build a house for the daughter on the second. Though the councillor wrung his hands and embellished the sorry state of the farmer's finances, Michael McFadden, the official in the planning department, was unmoved. "Bad debts make for bad planning," he declared.

'McFadden has long retired and though my father still quotes him, too many forgot the axiom. In fact, county councils themselves were guilty of granting permission in order to pay debts - their own. A county like Meath that experienced a massive population explosion but no matching increase in central exchequer funding found itself under particular pressure. Levies paid by developers to the local authority on grant of permission were a tempting source of finance. Many suspect that some permissions were granted with the levy rather than the merits of the application in mind. Planners are now faced with applications knowing that a refusal could visit financial ruin on the developer

Supermanpolitician · #5 (**permalink**) 20th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by 121.5

Read the thread, I have posted the Link and will do so again

MEATH - Councillors who rezone land

There is no shortage of Industrial Land

Why rezone that area?

Have you seen the photos?

There are empty units in Blanchardstown, Dunboyne, Dunshaughlin, Trim, Ashbourne

Industrial zoned land is worth way more than Agricultural land

YOU must ask yourself - whats going on here?

No Lets stick to the words Miss Carey used before and lets decide if these words now implicate her Fathers voting pattern

They are her words.

So let me get this straight....are you accusing Sarah Carey or any member of her family of any illegal rezoning?

If so, say it!

121.5 · #6 (**permalink**) 20th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supermanpolitician

So let me get this straight....are you accusing Sarah Carey or any member of her family of any illegal rezoning?

If so, say it!

Read the thread, I have posted the Link and will do so again

MEATH - Councillors who rezone land

There is no shortage of Industrial Land

Why rezone that area?

Have you seen the photos?

There are empty units in Blanchardstown, Dunboyne, Dunshaughlin, Trim, Ashbourne

Industrial zoned land is worth way more than Agricultural land

YOU must ask yourself - whats going on here?

No Lets stick to the words Miss Carey used before and lets decide if these words now implicate her Fathers voting pattern

They are her words.

Quote:

my county councillor father recalled a meeting of Meath County Council back in the 1970s. A councillor was pleading the case of a farmer who had applied for planning permission for two houses on his land.

The farmer owed the then Agricultural Credit Corporation a lot of money - a not uncommon predicament in an era of high interest rates and wildly fluctuating land prices. He also had a daughter. His plan was to sell off one site to pay his debts and build a house for the daughter on the second. Though the councillor wrung his hands and embellished the sorry state of the farmer's finances, Michael McFadden, the official in the planning department, was unmoved. "Bad debts make for bad planning," he declared.

'McFadden has long retired and though my father still quotes him, too many forgot the axiom. In fact, county councils themselves were guilty of granting permission in order to pay debts - their own. A county like Meath that experienced a massive population explosion but no matching increase in central exchequer funding found itself under particular pressure. Levies paid by developers to the local authority on grant of permission were a tempting source of finance. Many suspect that some permissions were granted with the levy rather than the merits of the application in mind. Planners are now faced with applications knowing that a refusal could visit financial ruin on the developer

Read and respond.

You were well capable of reading Sarahs article and responding, kindly take the effort with mine

I will leave NO STONE unturned.

Supermanpolitician · #7 (**permalink**) 20th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by 121.5

Read the thread, I have posted the Link and will do so again

MEATH - Councillors who rezone land

There is no shortage of Industrial Land

Why rezone that area?

Have you seen the photos?

There are empty units in Blanchardstown, Dunboyne, Dunshaughlin, Trim, Ashbourne

Industrial zoned land is worth way more than Agricultural land

YOU must ask yourself - whats going on here?

No Lets stick to the words Miss Carey used before and lets decide if these words now implicate her Fathers voting pattern

They are her words.

Read and respond.

You were well capable of reading Sarahs article and responding, kindly take the effort with mine

I will leave NO STONE unturned.

Are we reading the same article? You have managed to say that Sarah Carey and her family are someway guilty of bribery.

Where in the article does it say that Sarah or any member of her family have ever taken bribes?

Now back to the subject at hand. Infact Sarah Carey is highlighting folks like you, who can't understand why Labourt do so poorly.

121.5 · #8 (**permalink**) 20th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supermanpolitician

Are we reading the same article? You have managed to say that Sarah Carey and her family are someway guilty of bribery.

Where in the article does it say that Sarah or any member of her family have ever taken bribes?

Now back to the subject at hand. Infact Sarah Carey is highlighting folks like you, who can't understand why Labourt do so poorly.

Dont run away, Unless you are Sarah or Edward or Edward junior? I do find you quite defensive...

Sarah Carey wrote the following in the Irish Times:

Quote:

A county like Meath that experienced a massive population explosion but no matching increase in central exchequer funding found itself under particular pressure. Levies paid by developers to the local authority on grant of permission were a tempting source of finance. Many suspect that some permissions were granted with the levy rather than the merits of the application in mind.

There is NO shortage of Industrial Land in Co. Meath, Empty units lie everywhere

However, regardless of that the following happened:

Quote:

9.1.1 To consider and if thought fit to grant Planning Permission in material
contravention of the Meath County Development Plan 2007-2013 in
respect of Planning Application Reference DA801428 by Creative
Housing Solutions Ltd (t/a Shomera) for development at Rathregan,
Batterstown, Co. Meath which seeks to develop an external product show
area, light industrial unit, with ancillary office and toilet accommodation at
ground floor and first floor level, storage yard, site entrance, proprietary
waste water treatment system and percolation area, car parking and to carry
out all associated site and ancillary works.

Pat Gallagher SeniorPlanner made the presentation to the Members.

The proposed development would materially contravene the following policy
objective of the Meath County Development Plan 2007-2013

i) Policy ED POL 20 Page 92 of Vol 1 of the CDP which seeks:

“To permit development proposals for industrial or business enterprises in the
countryside only where, the proposed use has locational requirements that
can only be accommodated in a rural location and this has been
demonstrated
to the satisfaction of the Planning Authority, the resultant development is
of a size and scale which remains appropriate and which does not
negatively impact on the character and amenity of the surrounding area;
and the proposal demonstrates that it has taken into account traffic, public
health, environmental and amenity considerations and is in accordance
with the policies, requirements and guidance contained in this plan. In all
instances, it should be demonstrated that the proposal would not generate
traffic of a type and amount inappropriate for the character of the access
roads or would require improvements which would affect the character of
these roads.”

The variation was approved on the proposition of Councillor Nick Killian and seconded by Councillor Charles Bobbett (Roll call vote: 22 for, 1 Against, 3 Abstain, 3 absent )

Councillor Vote
Cllr. Charles Bobbett For
Cllr. Joseph Bonner Absent
Cllr. Patrick Boshell For
Cllr. Oliver Brooks Absent
Cllr. Phillip Cantwell For
Cllr. William Carey For
Cllr. Shane Cassells For
Cllr. Eugene Cassidy For
Cllr. Jimmy Cudden Abstain
Cllr. Jenny Darcy For
Cllr. Anne Dillon-Gallagher For
Cllr. John Farrelly For
Cllr. Jimmy Fegan For
Cllr. Brian Fitzgerald Against
Cllr. Michael Gallagher Abstain
Cllr. Peter Higgins For
Cllr. James Holloway For
Cllr. Owen Holmes For
Cllr. Tom Kelly For
Cllr. Nick Killian For
Cllr. Noel Leonard For
Cllr. Michael Lynch For
Cllr. James Mangan For
Cllr. Liz McCormack For
Cllr. Seamus Murray For
Cllr. Patsy O'Neill For
Cllr. Bryan Reilly Absent
Cllr. Joe Reilly Abstain
Cllr. Tommy Reilly For

'in material contravention of the Meath County Development Plan'

and now again, to return to Sarah's OWN WORDS:

Quote:

Levies paid by developers to the local authority on grant of permission were a tempting source of finance. Many suspect that some permissions were granted with the levy rather than the merits of the application in mind.

Now, what say you?

Verhofstadt · #9 (**permalink**) 20th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supermanpolitician

Excellent article today about the Labour Party, but in reality she having more of a go at her IT colleague Fintan O'Toole than Eamon Gilmore.

Dreamer Gilmore must knuckle down to reality - The Irish Times - Wed, May 20, 2009

Anyone who saw O'Toole on the Late Late couldn't help but think of him as a tad patronising.

I thought her article was good dose of realism, exactly what Labour needs at present.

Playing to the "Fintan O'Toole" gallery will win very few votes and will leave Labour standing still.

Jock_the_Waster · #10 (**permalink**) 20th May 2009

thanks for the heads up 121.5

Here is the Area that Mr Carey voted to rezone INDUSTRIAL:

Road to Site

entrance to site

from other side

Quote:

'in material contravention of the Meath County Development Plan'

and now again, to return to Sarah's OWN WORDS:

Quote:
Levies paid by developers to the local authority on grant of permission were a tempting source of finance. Many suspect that some permissions were granted with the levy rather than the merits of the application in mind.

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