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This is a discussion on Will DiCaprio depict Brian Boru, in the upcoming Movie? within the History forums, part of the Topical Discussion category on Politics.ie. What about Gabriel Byrne?...
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| I think DiCaprio could bring a lot to the role. Leonardo was very adept at his gritty role as a diamond-dealer in Blood Diamond. I think, with some sculpting and cultural context, he can fill big Brian Boru's shoes.
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Laighin nursed some serious greivances over the centuries given their lowly status amongst the cúigí and the constant exactations made on them by the southern and northern O'Neills and then Brian the 'upstart' and salt to the wounds. Its no surprise they from time to time allied themsleves with the Dubhlinn Vikings to prop up their numbers. On the film time will tell but unless Riadach is the Historical Advisor I fear the worst!
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| I visited the two cathederals in Armagh recently and was pleasantly surprised to find out that the great man is said to be buried in the grounds of what is now the CoI cathederal. As for actors, there's only one. It has to be Tommy Lee Jones. His Irish accent is the best I've ever heard. "Basstin pliz. No nims" |
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It's not surprising that Vikings came from across the sea to fight at Clontarf given that the Viking cities/towns were sea-facing trading ports with considerable communication and alliances with other Viking settlements. However, there was never any chance whatsoever that the Vikings could have taken control of Ireland in the 11th century. The high-point of their military impact on Irish society was reached during the 9th century. By the time of Brian Ború the Vikings' interactions with the native Irish had become largely integrated into, and subject to, the local, dynastic political scheme. And Clontarf was principally about that local political scene. It was a battle fought between BB and his allies, including Munster Vikings against a Leinster/Dublin Viking axis. If BB had lost not just his life, but the battle as well, then it would have shattered BB's pretensions towards an all-island monarchy styled on European lines. As it was, BB's death saw the long decline of Munster O'Brien kings. The Vikings themselves remained in place in Dublin until after the arrival of the Normans a century later.
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| I would have stated that Muircheartach's death in the 12th century saw the long decline of munster kings. It is arguable whether either Muircheartach or Toirdhealbach ever saw the heights of Brian's Kingship (though in fairness they did come very close) and it is clear that Brian's death put pay to Dalcassian pretensions during the interregnum, but a long decline never truly occurred and their dynasty's fortunes were resurrected within a generation. I would slightly disagree however, that the loss of Clontarf would not have resulted in a viking resurgence, though I severly doubt they would have taken over Ireland. After the loss, many of these kingdoms turned their attention towards anglo-saxon England, and may have contributed to the victory of Canute in 1015, which was achieved after all, with a mere 8,000 men. A defeat of the Ua Briain Maelseachnaill alliance, would have left a severly weakened middle kingdom on Dublin's doorstep, as well as a weakened munster, the province with most viking settlements. Had sigtrygg inspired confidence in his new found coalition, he may have turned his attention to such, no doubt increasing viking power in Ireland. |
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