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    Is inflating recruitment figures a government pathology?

    Following the great Ogra FF spoofing about their recruitment levels, now we have some hard-to-swallow figures from the Greens:
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhkfojmhql/
    Did they catch this disease from their partners in crime, I mean, government?
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    I was quite struck by that one, FF got more than SF and the SDLP then the Greens get more than SF, FF and DUP! It's like that old joke about the 3 hairdressers in the one street trying to out do each other and their signs read

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    Re: Is inflating recruitment figures a government pathology?

    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkinner
    Following the great Ogra FF spoofing about their recruitment levels, now we have some hard-to-swallow figures from the Greens:
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhkfojmhql/
    Did they catch this disease from their partners in crime, I mean, government?
    What an original take on the issue... :P

    I'm guessing that most of those come from third level. UCD has now roughly about 200 (Eamon Ryan's speech at the wine reception went down very well). Trinity has 250 or so. Add that to being the biggest party in UL, and new records for the YGs pretty much everywhere else, and it's believable. Those figures, to be honest, aren't that important in terms of active members. They are indicative of the politcal leanings of students and likely future voters, though (I hope! :P).

    There's also been an influx of new members to local branches - something which matters quite a bit. That's certainly happened in DL, and I hear that DSE is huge now.

    I'd well believe the 1,000 new members figure.

    As for the QUB figures, I can't verify them, since I wasn't at that freshers' event. Still, they're believable. Someone who isn't typically political could join the Young Greens out of concern for animal rights, the environment etc. That's an effect which FF and FG aren't likely to have - since they'd be explicitly party political.

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    Congrats to the Young Greens on this, especially p.ie contributors 'eddiepops' and 'Brocolli' who were two of the main people involved. This of course means 'eddiepops' is a superior YGs chair to both myself and fellow p.ie poster/former YGs chair 'Green'.

    Contrary to the link provided, it was a recruitment drive for the Young Greens, not the Green Party. I thing breakingnews.ie gave the office temp the job of writing this one. Membership of the YGs doesn't entail membership of the GP. Though I do wish we had 1,000 votes in the Chairperson election.

    Last years figures were 756, a year where the YGs didn't recruit in QUB or UL. Since they're both big campuses its entirely reasonable that they added an extra 250 members to the total. This 33% increase beats the Green Party, who get only manage a 21% increase in numbers. Come on guys, its like you're not even trying

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    I got the 1000 member press release earlier, but if their members didn't seek to post it on P.ie - I'm not going to do their PR for them around here.
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    Sorry but I believe ye have in the region of 90-110 in UL. Ógra as of today have 207 so biggest my arse. Ye're certainly not the smallest, but ye're not going to be giving YFG or Ógra a run for our money, plus the spiel to be recognised as an official society lastnight gave the distinct impression that ye were a political envirosoc to be linked in assisting envirosoc??
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cochrane
    I got the 1000 member press release earlier, but if their members didn't seek to post it on P.ie - I'm not going to do their PR for them around here.
    Was anyone asking you to? I'm a bit confused by what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cochrane
    I got the 1000 member press release earlier, but if their members didn't seek to post it on P.ie - I'm not going to do their PR for them around here.
    I was hesitant to do so considering the reactions as seen above, and the inevitable doubting. As others have pointed out, these people have not joined the party, but rather just the Young Greens, although I am hoping to get a good number to join the party also. Obviously it is easier to get people to do the former than the latter. I added up the numbers myself and I can vouch for them all personally, I was at most of the Fresher's weeks myself. The Queens numbers were a bit of a surprise, but we worked extra hard there and at UL so that goes some way to explain them. I don't know about other societies' numbers there so can't speak to that.

    But overall it's been easily our most successful year, despite my earlier worries about the effect of entering government. As my predecessor said, we have to hit the ground running in regards to getting these new members actually involved and that process has already begun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiannafuddy
    Sorry but I believe ye have in the region of 90-110 in UL. Ógra as of today have 207 so biggest my arse. Ye're certainly not the smallest, but ye're not going to be giving YFG or Ógra a run for our money, plus the spiel to be recognised as an official society lastnight gave the distinct impression that ye were a political envirosoc to be linked in assisting envirosoc??

    No need to apologise. I don't believe we have claimed to be the largest party in UL, just that we're happy to be set up there. Hope this clears up the confusion.

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    Re: Is inflating recruitment figures a government pathology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge
    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkinner
    Following the great Ogra FF spoofing about their recruitment levels, now we have some hard-to-swallow figures from the Greens:
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhkfojmhql/
    Did they catch this disease from their partners in crime, I mean, government?
    What an original take on the issue... :P

    I'm guessing that most of those come from third level. UCD has now roughly about 200 (Eamon Ryan's speech at the wine reception went down very well). Trinity has 250 or so. Add that to being the biggest party in UL, and new records for the YGs pretty much everywhere else, and it's believable. Those figures, to be honest, aren't that important in terms of active members. They are indicative of the politcal leanings of students and likely future voters, though (I hope! :P).

    There's also been an influx of new members to local branches - something which matters quite a bit. That's certainly happened in DL, and I hear that DSE is huge now.

    I'd well believe the 1,000 new members figure.

    As for the QUB figures, I can't verify them, since I wasn't at that freshers' event. Still, they're believable. Someone who isn't typically political could join the Young Greens out of concern for animal rights, the environment etc. That's an effect which FF and FG aren't likely to have - since they'd be explicitly party political.
    in fairness it did say both sides of the border. i'd believe it. there are a lot of IT's and universities to which they could recruit.
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