OFF sock it to the Provos.

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Cathaoirleach of Meath West Ógra Fianna Fáil moved a motion calling on the Minister for Defence to do all in his power to stop this practice, defend the good name of the Irish Defence Forces and to protect the historical legacy of the Easter Rising and the War of Independence for all of the Irish people.

Like yourself meriwether I was going to laugh it off, to indulge in mockery and scorn but then I noted something I think you might have missed.

The motion was proposed by the CATHAOIRLEACH of Meath West Ógra. Not some ordinary scrote of a member, or even the runaí or the Leas-Cathaoirleach, but the bloody Cathaoirleach. A chap whose weighty pronouncements on everything from Irish culture to genetic splicing are taken with the utmost seriousness by the world's great thinkers. On the site Meri refers to the man can be seen wearing a feather boa with a kind of style that would leave many of today's top models breathless with excitement.

Seriously though lads, to be fair, we're not that bothered if you boys want to call the Defence Forces after the IRA. I suppose, in a weird way, it's kind of flattering. Don't be worrying yourselves about it.

Sir, I refer you to this: [quote:2jkatdkd]typical of the grubby and shady political party Sinn Féin is”

You have been told.
By a Cathaoirleach, no less.

And Attn: Monarchists:

Fianna Fáil ~ The Republican Party and in particular Meath West Ógra is vehemently opposed to any form of monarchy on this island.

Take note. "In particular Meath West Ogra".
Take that Lizzie![/quote:2jkatdkd]


Oooooh you're going to set Lizzie on us. I'm scared

[Dunny]

Lads,

Im not going to bother replying to any thing writes on this. Meath West Ógra took a position re: the use of the title Óglaigh na nEireann. While some of the young fg'ers are laughing at this, this little press release will never cause as much embarassment as the YFG attempt to provide 12 year olds with condoms.

Now, Im off home to have my dinner. Good Luck

[gaelach]

Like the Pavlovian dog I am, meri's original post sent me off looking for corresponding ************************e on YFG sites. Unfortunately, the lack of any sort of updating at all means there's little to get interested in.

But I suggest that YFG might have a look at the link to their Trinners branch on their homesite...

http://www.yfg.ie/modules.php?op=modloa ... eA&show=10

Is this what Kevin O Higgins died for? What would Alice Glenn say?

I am outraged!
Who wants to help me draft a press release?
Or a motion for an Ard Fheis?

Perhaps you could suggest that the government try to ban all p0rn on the internet?

Im going to write a strongly worded letter to the King of the Internet.
Does anyone know his email address?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=WU70HQygMMw

The Hoff no less.

[meriwether]

[quote=baldur0300][quote=meriwether]

So you think that it is right for organisations to use the term Oglaigh na hÉireann other than the Irish Army? Or do you just think that we shouldn't highlight that the true inheritors of that title have problems using it because of the various paramilitary groups that like to play pretend and call themselves Oglaigh na hÉireann?

Do you think a motion to the Ard Feis makes a bit of difference?

It makes a statement and highlights an issue. Nothing wrong with that. Whether it will actually change anything in the short term is unlikely but it's hardly wrong to make the point.

Its stoopid. Thats what it is. A big whole waste of time, especially calling on the head of the defence forces to effectively stop other organisations using Oglaigh na hEireann as a name.
I wonder what he's going to do about it exactly?

So its stupid to say something in an Ard Fheis clár that is not achievable in the short term? Should I just post up every FG AF Clár for the last ten years or will you save me the trouble?

A Mhac, its not achievable AT ALL!
What on earth can the head of the defence forces do to stop people running around calling themselves Oglaigh na hEireann?
Its so silly a motion, it defies any logic at all![/quote:5no4oaza]

And the way Irish politics is set up at the moment, nothing ever passed by an FG conference will ever become government policy. We don't slag you lot off for putting so much effort into writing agendas and policy documents and clárs that are doomed to sit on shelves, why do you slag us off for saying something idealistic that I'm sure you agree with even though you think its not achievable?[/quote:5no4oaza]
Theres unachievable, and theres plain daft.
This comfortably falls into the latter.
Asking the head of the defence forces to do something about other organisations using Oglaigh na hEireann.
I mean, really?
May I also point out that this motion was the cornerstone of

Meath West Ógra members played a vital role in shaping party policy.

The mind boggles.

[meriwether]

Lads,

Im not going to bother replying to any thing writes on this. Meath West Ógra took a position re: the use of the title Óglaigh na nEireann. While some of the young fg'ers are laughing at this, this little press release will never cause as much embarassment as the YFG attempt to provide 12 year olds with condoms.

Now, Im off home to have my dinner. Good Luck

You should 'slam' them. They deserve 'slamming'.

[baldur0300]

It makes a statement and highlights an issue. Nothing wrong with that. Whether it will actually change anything in the short term is unlikely but it's hardly wrong to make the point.

A point that's been made ad nauseum for the last 80 years, although usually by FG and the Sindo!

FF become more like some bizarre parody of 1970s Fine Gael with every passing day.

Yawn......... Repeated silly insults aside, I doubt you would find any FFer believing that the title should not belong exclusively to the Army. Why do you have a problem with that?

I don't have a problem with it. I just think it's completely daft to be banging on about an issue everybody knows about, which people have been going on about for 80 years, and which was a more serious issue years ago when any of the various IRAs were active and dangerous. Plus, I actually do think it's somewhat indicative of modern FF that they waste time and energy on issues like this which would have been favourite hobby-horses of FG in the Cosgrave era.

What's the point in banging on about it now? It's just silly.

Its hardly banging on about it. Its one motion, by one unit at one Ard Fheis about a non-contentious issue for the majority of the population.

[cain1798]

Sir, I refer you to this:

typical of the grubby and shady political party Sinn Féin is”

You have been told.
By a Cathaoirleach, no less.

And a Fianna Fáil one, whose knowledge of things grubby and shady would come a distant second to mine, a humble subversive.

One would normally have to pay good money to receive such bracing discipline. I've rarely felt so thoroughly chastised.

[meriwether]

Sir, I refer you to this:

typical of the grubby and shady political party Sinn Féin is”

You have been told.
By a Cathaoirleach, no less.

And a Fianna Fáil one, whose knowledge of things grubby and shady would come a distant second to mine, a humble subversive.

One would normally have to pay good money to receive such bracing discipline. I've rarely felt so thoroughly chastised.

If you feel bad, think how poor Enda Kenny must feel:

The Cathaoirleach of Meath West Ógra Fianna Fáil has said that Enda Kenny’s record as leader of Fine Gael gives him absolutely no credibility in calling for more “responsibility and accountability” in government.

[baldur0300]

[quote=meriwether][quote=baldur0300][quote=meriwether]

So you think that it is right for organisations to use the term Oglaigh na hÉireann other than the Irish Army? Or do you just think that we shouldn't highlight that the true inheritors of that title have problems using it because of the various paramilitary groups that like to play pretend and call themselves Oglaigh na hÉireann?

Do you think a motion to the Ard Feis makes a bit of difference?

It makes a statement and highlights an issue. Nothing wrong with that. Whether it will actually change anything in the short term is unlikely but it's hardly wrong to make the point.

Its stoopid. Thats what it is. A big whole waste of time, especially calling on the head of the defence forces to effectively stop other organisations using Oglaigh na hEireann as a name.
I wonder what he's going to do about it exactly?

So its stupid to say something in an Ard Fheis clár that is not achievable in the short term? Should I just post up every FG AF Clár for the last ten years or will you save me the trouble?

A Mhac, its not achievable AT ALL!
What on earth can the head of the defence forces do to stop people running around calling themselves Oglaigh na hEireann?
Its so silly a motion, it defies any logic at all![/quote:m7zxxyj2]

And the way Irish politics is set up at the moment, nothing ever passed by an FG conference will ever become government policy. We don't slag you lot off for putting so much effort into writing agendas and policy documents and clárs that are doomed to sit on shelves, why do you slag us off for saying something idealistic that I'm sure you agree with even though you think its not achievable?[/quote:m7zxxyj2]
Theres unachievable, and theres plain daft.
This comfortably falls into the latter.
Asking the head of the defence forces to do something about other organisations using Oglaigh na hEireann.
I mean, really?
May I also point out that this motion was the cornerstone of

Meath West Ógra members played a vital role in shaping party policy.

The mind boggles.[/quote:m7zxxyj2]

Will I go digging up some of the fully fledged policy documents written by your luminaries in YFG. If you go on a rant about one AF motion that's "plain daft". I'm sure you will be writing for weeks about some of the stuff that members of your youth wing egest.

[cain1798]

If you feel bad, think how poor Enda Kenny must feel:

The Cathaoirleach of Meath West Ógra Fianna Fáil has said that Enda Kenny’s record as leader of Fine Gael gives him absolutely no credibility in calling for more “responsibility and accountability” in government.

Jesus. Not just 'no credibility', but 'absolutely no credibility'.

He's a merciless bastard this one. I mean what if one of Kenny's kids saw some of this?