ÓSF Travel to Basque Country to Call for End to Oppression

[cain1798]

BTW, why cant Ogra raise the issue of Anti GFA Republicans being interned in the SCC, or the dismantling of political status in Maghaberry, or harassment of 32csm and rsf activists as well as raising the issues of Basque youth.

Good point, of course it is slightly hypocritical unless you also call on those organisations to condemn harassment at whatever level of OSF and SF activists, fair is fair.

This is not about fairness. This is about bogwarrior's narrow-minded political sectarianism. A quick search for Maghaberry on the Sinn Féin website brings up hits for statements put out by the party on the issues facing other republican prisoners. There have been articles in the Phoblacht on same.

Remarkably, nothing similar has ever been done by RSF/32CSM supporters about our prisoners. Indeed, in Dublin anyway, their supporters refuse to donate to support our prisoners while expecting, and generally getting, a few bob from us for them.

They condemn us for taking our seats in the Dáil, or getting elected, then demand that we represent the interests of their prisoners while attacking us at the same time and when we do, refusing to support our prisoners, or our activists facing harassment.

Fairness?

[Bacon-Egg]

PSF condemn Irish Republican youth whilst travelling thousands of miles to support Basque separatist youth
http://www.derryjournal.com/ViewArticle ... ID=2692823
Does OSF condemn Kale Boraka and the Basque youth's attacks on Spanish interests, or is safe to support something not in your backyard?

Bog warrior gone check that link and see if you posted the right one cause it wont work for me.

The Basque situation is different from here...diff times call for diff measures. THe Basque people are doing what needs to be done in their phase of the struggle.

[DOD]

This is not about fairness. This is about bogwarrior's narrow-minded political sectarianism. A quick search for Maghaberry on the Sinn Féin website brings up hits for statements put out by the party on the issues facing other republican prisoners. There have been articles in the Phoblacht on same.

Remarkably, nothing similar has ever been done by RSF/32CSM supporters about our prisoners. Indeed, in Dublin anyway, their supporters refuse to donate to support our prisoners while expecting, and generally getting, a few bob from us for them.

They condemn us for taking our seats in the Dáil, or getting elected, then demand that we represent the interests of their prisoners while attacking us at the same time and when we do, refusing to support our prisoners, or our activists facing harassment.

Fairness?

Oh I agree with you. That was the point I was making.

[Bogwarrior]

PSF condemn Irish Republican youth whilst travelling thousands of miles to support Basque separatist youth
http://www.derryjournal.com/ViewArticle ... ID=2692823
Does OSF condemn Kale Boraka and the Basque youth's attacks on Spanish interests, or is safe to support something not in your backyard?

Bog warrior gone check that link and see if you posted the right one cause it wont work for me.

The Basque situation is different from here...diff times call for diff measures. THe Basque people are doing what needs to be done in their phase of the struggle.

So far his year ETA and it's Basque youth groups have killed 2 Ecuadorian peasants (sleeping in their car in an airport carpark) and a 70 year old woman killed in an arson attack on a bank.
My link was referring to a statement from PSF in Derry condemning a petrol bomb attack on Crown Forces in Creggan yesterday by Republican youths. Just pointing out the blinding hypocrisy with this thread.

[cain1798]

My link was referring to a statement from PSF in Derry condemning a petrol bomb attack on Crown Forces in Creggan yesterday by Republican youths. Just pointing out the blinding hypocrisy with this thread.

It's not hypocrisy. You might call it a lot of other things from your point of view, but 'hypocrisy' it isn't.

Those of us who believe that the use of force is a tactic, not a principle, know that there are times when it was, and may be, justified. When it is not, it is counter-productive to use it.

Now, you reject the Sinn Féin analysis. Fine, dead on. But the analysis is based on the notion that the use of force is currently counter-productive to achieving republican objectives in this political context. The Basques on the other hand, believe that some forms of militant action are currently justified and useful in their current political context.

You shape your tactics to the political context in which you operate. There is no 'One size fits all' strategy for a revolutionary. It is perfectly legitimate to support all out armed revolutionary violence in one country, and to oppose it in another, because the political contexts in each may be different. With force necessary in one, and counter-productive in the other.

By all means, condemn Sinn Féin and it's analysis and so on. You're perfectly entitled to say their analysis is entirely wrong. But to call it hypocritical, is to misunderstand the use of force, and the purpose behind using it, in revolutionary struggle.

[Bogwarrior]

The attack yesterday which PSF condemned was during a Republican parade in a Republican area. Heavily armed police in armoured vehicles goaded local youths who rightly responded. They were condemned by a party which supports direct action in other countries. It's hypocrisy Cain. Nothing else.

[iceman]

My link was referring to a statement from PSF in Derry condemning a petrol bomb attack on Crown Forces in Creggan yesterday by Republican youths. Just pointing out the blinding hypocrisy with this thread.

It's not hypocrisy. You might call it a lot of other things from your point of view, but 'hypocrisy' it isn't.

Those of us who believe that the use of force is a tactic, not a principle, know that there are times when it was, and may be, justified. When it is not, it is counter-productive to use it.

Now, you reject the Sinn Féin analysis. Fine, dead on. But the analysis is based on the notion that the use of force is currently counter-productive to achieving republican objectives in this political context. The Basques on the other hand, believe that some forms of militant action are currently justified and useful in their current political context.

You shape your tactics to the political context in which you operate. There is no 'One size fits all' strategy for a revolutionary. It is perfectly legitimate to support all out armed revolutionary violence in one country, and to oppose it in another, because the political contexts in each may be different. With force necessary in one, and counter-productive in the other.

By all means, condemn Sinn Féin and it's analysis and so on. You're perfectly entitled to say their analysis is entirely wrong. But to call it hypocritical, is to misunderstand the use of force, and the purpose behind using it, in revolutionary struggle.

Hear ends the lesson, well put Cain i could of not said it better (well i probably could have) myself.

[cain1798]

The attack yesterday which PSF condemned was during a Republican parade in a Republican area. Heavily armed police in armoured vehicles goaded local youths who rightly responded. They were condemned by a party which supports direct action in other countries. It's hypocrisy Cain. Nothing else.

No, it's not. It might be wrong, it might be stupid, it might be counter-revolutionary or a betrayl of the men and women of 1916 or whatever anti-SF soundbite is the flavour of the month, I don't know the details of the incident. But for reasons explained in the certain knowledge they would not be understood, it is not hypocritical to support direct action in one political context and to oppose it in another.

It's common sense, and basic, absolutely childishly basic, political analysis.

[irishpeoplearewhingers]

Interference in the internal affairs of another country is not wise if a party aspires to government down South.

[Bogwarrior]

My link was referring to a statement from PSF in Derry condemning a petrol bomb attack on Crown Forces in Creggan yesterday by Republican youths. Just pointing out the blinding hypocrisy with this thread.

It's not hypocrisy. You might call it a lot of other things from your point of view, but 'hypocrisy' it isn't.

Those of us who believe that the use of force is a tactic, not a principle, know that there are times when it was, and may be, justified. When it is not, it is counter-productive to use it.

Now, you reject the Sinn Féin analysis. Fine, dead on. But the analysis is based on the notion that the use of force is currently counter-productive to achieving republican objectives in this political context. The Basques on the other hand, believe that some forms of militant action are currently justified and useful in their current political context.

You shape your tactics to the political context in which you operate. There is no 'One size fits all' strategy for a revolutionary. It is perfectly legitimate to support all out armed revolutionary violence in one country, and to oppose it in another, because the political contexts in each may be different. With force necessary in one, and counter-productive in the other.

By all means, condemn Sinn Féin and it's analysis and so on. You're perfectly entitled to say their analysis is entirely wrong. But to call it hypocritical, is to misunderstand the use of force, and the purpose behind using it, in revolutionary struggle.

Hear ends the lesson, well put Cain i could of not said it better (well i probably could have) myself.

The lesson would end if you can explain why petrol bombing a bus in Bilbao is different from torching a cop landrover in Creggan? They are both oppressed people? Or maybe you think not, and only the Basques are oppressed. Do you believe Irish republicans no longer have the RIGHT to defend themselves from State oppression?