health care plan to cost a trillion dollars , what has iraq war cost

[irish_bob]

maybe im basing my opinion from watching fox news coverage but it seems to be that most americans are dead against the obama health plan , am i right in saying that most americans see having a healthcare plan for all as being more wastefull than going into iraq

while i think our HSE is a disaster , i doubt the americans would allow a goverment run health system to be so top heavy with beauracracy and so dominated by unions , americans are too big on efficency which is why i think america could have a well run goverment funded health care system , neighbouring canada dont seem to be over burdened with taxes yet have a world class state run health service

[Pocono Joe]

while i think our HSE is a disaster , i doubt the americans would allow a goverment run health system to be so top heavy with beauracracy and so dominated by unions , americans are too big on efficency which is why i think america could have a well run goverment funded health care system...

Thanks for the good laugh... funniest thing I've read all week. Whatever you're smoking... I want some, it must be some powerful stuff.

[irish_bob]

Thanks for the good laugh... funniest thing I've read all week. Whatever you're smoking... I want some, it must be some powerful stuff.

il pass you on the doobie if you elaborate on your post

[JRMcNelis]

No, the majority of Americans (or plurality in some polls) still support a health care reform along the lines of Obama's proposal.

The plan has varying cost estimates, from 600 billion, upwards to 1.2 trillion.
Split the difference, and it is still under 1 trillion over the next 10 years.

But we need to do something, for the system we have now is broken.

Right now...an insurance company runs for profit, and sells coverage to consumers. When one of their consumers has a problem, it then says "It'll cost $750,000 for health care, or cost $400,000 in legal fees for a wrongful death suit." So they deny, if the person dies, and they get sued, they say to themselves we still saved $350,000


And so long as you have insurance companies playing dice with consumers lives in order to line their pockets with greater profits, that will be the defining characteristic of American health care

[lapsedmethodist]

maybe im basing my opinion from watching fox news coverage but it seems to be that most americans are dead against the obama health plan , am i right in saying that most americans see having a healthcare plan for all as being more wastefull than going into iraq

while i think our HSE is a disaster , i doubt the americans would allow a goverment run health system to be so top heavy with beauracracy and so dominated by unions , americans are too big on efficency which is why i think america could have a well run goverment funded health care system , neighbouring canada dont seem to be over burdened with taxes yet have a world class state run health service

Don't rely on Fox News for anything but a view of America at its most insular.

[irish_bob]

Don't rely on Fox News for anything but a view of America at its most insular.

im well aware that fox news is in the tank for the gop but even CNN coverage seems to suggest that most americans are uneasy about spending so much tax payers money on a national health care plan , perhaps its because the country never had one before

from talking to americans , it would appear that many middle class americans who are in employment still cant afford decent health care right now

[dmc444]

Obamas Health care proposal?- What proposal has he suggested, except saying costs need to be lowered but he is showing no leadership at all in setting out a path.

Obama needs to look at Bevan in the UK, he had three options for a national health service and he chose a centralised government run option and from 1946-48 he fought all his detractors and steered through his own plan. What was key in this case was the public new exactly what was being proposed and they knew Bevan but Obama is not doing that at all.

In Canada, Tommy Douglas had to fight for years to get Medicare up and running but one thing people respected was that he was a leader.

[Aj1990]

Why not an incentive program to get people to lose weight? $147 billion a year would be saved just in direct medical costs.

[Pocono Joe]

il pass you on the doobie if you elaborate on your post

I’ll give you just four current examples of US government run programs to illustrate why the thought of efficiencies of bureaucracy (and some examples with high union influence) is a laughable matter: Social Security, Medicare, Amtrak, and the US Postal Service. How about showing me some opposite examples.

[Pocono Joe]

Why not an incentive program to get people to lose weight? $147 billion a year would be saved just in direct medical costs.

Or instead... Why not just tax the hell out of overweight people, as the US government does with cigarette smokers. The cost in health care is about the same for matters related to smoking as they are for obesity. Seems only fair don’t you think?