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    The Irish Times do an editorial on the Republican Caucuses today, without once mentioning Ron Paul.

    As bad as the US media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyelight View Post
    The Irish Times do an editorial on the Republican Caucuses today, without once mentioning Ron Paul.

    As bad as the US media.
    In fairness, he has had a very bad week.
    Santorum deservedly took the headlines.
    If he wins Maine he might get a mention but it is unlikely he will even do that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopdoingstuff View Post
    It's uncanny.

    Regardless, don't you just love when people on here ask when Paul is getting out of the race? They don't understand the procedure. We're in it to win delegates. Not one delegate has been given in Iowa yet, Florida was a winner-take-all which is why Paul didn't compete.

    1) The Missouri primary means nothing. It was a non-binding beauty contest, and the contest that matters in the ‘show me’ state won’t take place for another month. The Ron Paul campaign is well positioned to win delegates in Missouri’s caucus a month from now.

    2) As in Iowa where not 1 of the 28 delegates has been awarded yet, in Colorado and Nevada the Paul campaign will do very well in the state delegate counts. We will have good numbers among the actual delegates awarded, far exceeding our straw poll numbers.

    3) In Minnesota where we have finished a solid second, we also have a strong majority of the state convention delegates, and the process to elect delegates has also just begun, the Paul campaign is well-organized to win the bulk of delegates there.

    “We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign’s delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:

    In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

    In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.

    In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.
    It's a sneaky way to the nomination - can't let the cat out of the bag. If there is one thing going for Paul, it's his supporters are extremely organised.
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    Poor RP, must be the only political leader with a cult of personality that never had that cult propel him to power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingCash View Post
    It's uncanny.

    Regardless, don't you just love when people on here ask when Paul is getting out of the race? They don't understand the procedure. We're in it to win delegates. Not one delegate has been given in Iowa yet, Florida was a winner-take-all which is why Paul didn't compete.



    It's a sneaky way to the nomination - can't let the cat out of the bag. If there is one thing going for Paul, it's his supporters are extremely organised.
    Once the process was for the convention to meet, and the party grandees to horse-trade among themselves for the candidate. In one legendary convention, the Democrats in 1924 took something like 103 ballots and 2 weeks before settling on a (losing) candidate.

    Parties cannot afford that since conventions became prime time TV - the convention is now a coronation, and it serves to kick off the candidates' campaign.

    If the Republicans end up horse-trading at the convention, they will have lost the single biggest piece of publicity that gives their campaign impetus. They will have managed to make themselves look amateurish and stupid. The period after the Republican convention in 2008 was the only time where McCain actually led Obama in the polls.

    The other point is that Ron Paul has 13 delegates out of 179 committed. Romney has 90, Santorum 44, and Gingrich 33. To make an impact, Paul needs to win some big states like California, New York or Texas but there is little sign of that happening.

    I am sure Paul has a strategy, but it is hard to see how he can deal himself a winning hand. He can horse-trade his delegates at the convention - but at the expense of wrecking the Republicans' best chance for positive publicity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Once the process was for the convention to meet, and the party grandees to horse-trade among themselves for the candidate. In one legendary convention, the Democrats in 1924 took something like 103 ballots and 2 weeks before settling on a (losing) candidate.

    Parties cannot afford that since conventions became prime time TV - the convention is now a coronation, and it serves to kick off the candidates' campaign.

    If the Republicans end up horse-trading at the convention, they will have lost the single biggest piece of publicity that gives their campaign impetus. They will have managed to make themselves look amateurish and stupid. The period after the Republican convention in 2008 was the only time where McCain actually led Obama in the polls.

    The other point is that Ron Paul has 13 delegates out of 179 committed. Romney has 90, Santorum 44, and Gingrich 33. To make an impact, Paul needs to win some big states like California, New York or Texas but there is little sign of that happening.

    I am sure Paul has a strategy, but it is hard to see how he can deal himself a winning hand. He can horse-trade his delegates at the convention - but at the expense of wrecking the Republicans' best chance for positive publicity.
    I don't cheer on the U.S Republican Party, I never have.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's Paul or nobody. None of the people that have supported him over the years will vote for anyone else because they know the real issues close to their heart will not be seen to by the likes of a Romney, a Gingrich or a Santorum. In fact, all the Republican candidates match Obama on every level. So what would be the point voting for the GOP nominee for the sake of getting rid of Obama? Even you must admit that a Paul/Obama showdown would be a blockbuster!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingCash View Post
    I don't cheer on the U.S Republican Party, I never have.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's Paul or nobody. None of the people that have supported him over the years will vote for anyone else because they know the real issues close to their heart will not be seen to by the likes of a Romney, a Gingrich or a Santorum. In fact, all the Republican candidates match Obama on every level. So what would be the point voting for the GOP nominee for the sake of getting rid of Obama? Even you must admit that a Paul/Obama showdown would be a blockbuster!
    Well, I always thought the point of politics was to obtain power to carry out a programme. That means persuading people to vote for you.

    In the American system one needs to convince the bulk of one party and a good portion of another to cast their ballots for you. In the US (like the joke about Irish "Catholic Atheists" and "Protestant Athiests") Independents usually lean one way for another. The vision of large numbers of uncommitted Independents is a bit of a myth.

    So, if Ron Paul does not want a majority of Republicans on his side, I fail to see the point of his candidacy. If he is actually plotting so that the Republicans lose to Obama, then I fail to see how that will rally Republicans to vote for him in large numbers - or Democrats either.

    It seems that you see Ron Paul as a massive ego-trip into the politics of gesture. He will become a martyr for your beliefs and you can open a little shrine to him in your bedroom. Great stuff, but to anyone with a practical view of politics, that seems to be an exercise in futility.
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