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    Karl Rove...McCain has a steep climb

    As the election day nears the rats look like they are jumping ship. Here is Karl Rove today on Fox. Scroll down for the video clip.

    Rove On McCain: "Very Steep Hill To Climb"

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    Quote Originally Posted by westair View Post
    As the election day nears the rats look like they are jumping ship. Here is Karl Rove today on Fox. Scroll down for the video clip.

    Rove On McCain: "Very Steep Hill To Climb"
    Actually Rove has been writing as an independent commentator all through the campaign. Much as I dislike much of what he did, he has written some pretty perceptive things in the WSJ.
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    Very clever. Disassociating him from what may be about to happen (and I don't mean an Obama victory).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Very clever. Disassociating him from what may be about to happen (and I don't mean an Obama victory).
    What are you suggesting, FT? A Republican Party implosion? A nasty, vicious GOP post mortem? A handing of the GOP over to the religious nuts? Sounds interesting, whatever it is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauli View Post
    What are you suggesting, FT? A Republican Party implosion? A nasty, vicious GOP post mortem? A handing of the GOP over to the religious nuts? Sounds interesting, whatever it is!
    Nope I mean how the GOP are 'making sure' McCain wins.

    I predict a Mugabe-style election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Nope I mean how the GOP are 'making sure' McCain wins.

    I predict a Mugabe-style election.
    You could be right. In my opinion, the US Republican Party are capable of absolutely anything. They would try stuff even Putin would shy away from.
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    While I have admired McCain's stated criticisms of backsliding on democracy and human rights in Russia and aggression in Georgia, it's hypocrisy if his party is trying to steal an election in his own country. Aside from him, I have to say I regard most of his party as an unholy alliance of Jesus-freaks and gun-toting, racist, rednecks. Abraham Lincoln would turn in his grave to see his party adapting the Jim Crow tactics of the former Southern Democrats before the Civil Rights era in the South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    While I have admired McCain's stated criticisms of backsliding on democracy and human rights in Russia and aggression in Georgia, it's hypocrisy if his party is trying to steal an election in his own country. Aside from him, I have to say I regard most of his party as an unholy alliance of Jesus-freaks and gun-toting, racist, rednecks. Abraham Lincoln would turn in his grave to see his party adapting the Jim Crow tactics of the former Southern Democrats before the Civil Rights era in the South.
    I commend you in showing remarkable restraint in describing the majority of the elements that make up the modern US Republican Party. They are an odious, repellent, disgusting alliance of flag-waving, God-and-Guns, quasi-fascist nutters, in my opinion. Yet, FT, you want this party to occupy the White House. Strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauli View Post
    I commend you in showing remarkable restraint in describing the majority of the elements that make up the modern US Republican Party. They are an odious, repellent, disgusting alliance of flag-waving, God-and-Guns, quasi-fascist nutters, in my opinion. Yet, FT, you want this party to occupy the White House. Strange.
    After researching their efforts to suppress the vote I don't now.

    One example of what is happening is the "straight ticket" voting problem. In North Carolina, if you choose it on the machine, it doesn't include the vote for president. Meanwhile in Texas, it does. On this website, someone whose car was full of McCain stickers was reported as telling voters that to vote for Obama they had to both choose "straight-ticket" and then choose the candidate afterwords - little did they know that if they do that it counts as not voting at all....When a poll-worker confronted him he drove off. The states with straight-ticket voting are Indiana, North Carolina, Michigan, Alabama, Kentucky, Iowa, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and WIsconsin. In New Jersey, straight-ticket voting is available only in primary elections. In North Carolina straight-ticket voting is available for all races except for presidential electors. In Rhode Island, straight-ticket voting is available only in general elections.
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    I agree with you that this is a major cause for concern. I have felt for a very long time that there has been, since the Reagan years, a nascent fascist element to the US Republican Party. All the religious influence, the gun lobby, the flag-waving to demonstrate how "American" you are, the revelling in dumbed-down ignorance; these I find symptomatic of a totalitarianism that constantly rubbishes opinions which do not conform to that same totalitarian view. I was reminded of this by Palin describing certain parts of the US as being more American than others. Palin's support for creationism, the gun lobby and her questioning of Obama's "Americanness" is a demonstration of that fascist strain within the Republican Party. But after 8 years of watching the behaviour of Dick Cheney, I guess I am not the only person to detect the fascist gene in the Republicans DNA.
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