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    New Republic: The Race is Over!

    It's Over: Why Bill Ayers Won't Save John McCain
    Howard Wolfson

    Perpetually fretting Democrats will not want to accept it. The campaigns themselves can't afford to believe it. Many journalists know it but can't say it. And there will certainly be some twists and turns along the way. But take it to a well capitalized bank: Bill Ayers isn't going to save John McCain. The race is over.

    John McCain's candidacy is as much a casualty of Wall Street as Lehman or Merrill. Like those once vibrant institutions, McCain's collapse was stunning and quick. One minute you are a well-respected brand. The next you are yelling at the messengers of your demise as all around you the numbers start blinking red and stop adding up. ...

    State polls are beginning to reflect this. If the election were tomorrow, Obama would win all of the states John Kerry carried and add Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Virginia, Nevada, Ohio and Florida....



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    And here's another juicy little morsel about Palin's family:

    It would have far more factual validity for Obama, or a surrogate, to publicize the fact that Track, the kid who joined the Army, did so because a judge told him it was that or jail due to his dealing drugs. I have a strong hunch, however, the Obama people would never get into that.
    Margo Howard: Palin Should Zip It - The Spine

    If McCain continues to go negative that one should be used.

    It'd be low-down, dirty and despicable but it'd be Palin's own fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utopian Hermit Monk View Post
    It's Over: Why Bill Ayers Won't Save John McCain
    Howard Wolfson

    John McCain's candidacy is as much a casualty of Wall Street as Lehman or Merrill. Like those once vibrant institutions, McCain's collapse was stunning and quick. One minute you are a well-respected brand. The next you are yelling at the messengers of your demise as all around you the numbers start blinking red and stop adding up. ...
    I said as much last week. Once the economy took over as the main (and now the only) issue, then McCain was on the ropes. It was always his weak spot, and floating voters are not seeing any difference between McCain and the current regime's economic policies, which created the current mess.

    Once again "it's the economy, stupid" and Obama proved to have made an inspired decision by leaving HC off the ticket and proving he was his own man. I have always maintained that Obama was the ONLY candidate who could beat McCain and while he would not be my personal choice, I wish him luck (he'll need it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith-M View Post
    I said as much last week. Once the economy took over as the main (and now the only) issue, then McCain was on the ropes. It was always his weak spot, and floating voters are not seeing any difference between McCain and the current regime's economic policies, which created the current mess.

    Once again "it's the economy, stupid" and Obama proved to have made an inspired decision by leaving HC off the ticket and proving he was his own man. I have always maintained that Obama was the ONLY candidate who could beat McCain and while he would not be my personal choice, I wish him luck (he'll need it).
    [SIZE=4]No. No No. This can not be happening. [/SIZE]

    Twice in one night. Agreeing with Keith M.

    Well almost agreeing. Thankfully he cocked it up with his ever present rant about Clinton. Polls in fact show that if she was the candidate of the Dems she would be at an incredible 61%. And if Obama had her on the ticket he would be at 56%.

    The only danger, and it is a real danger, is the Bradley effect. Over the last 30 years Black candidates have frequently come in 5-8% below their poll rating on the day, because a proportion of those who say to pollsters that they will vote for the Black candidate are lying and cannot bring themselves to vote for a Black candidate. If the polls are right, then Obama is going to become president. I just worry about the Bradley effect.

    One other thing worries me. If it was close, I think it would be better for Obama's safety. But if as it is looking like, that Obama is going to win, that increases the danger of some right wing racist nutjob deciding that it is their god-given racial duty to stop a 'niigger' (PS: no racial insult intended, but that is the sick way the right wing think. I had to use the word to convey their thinking) getting into the White House by killing him. The more certain the likelihood of a win, the greater the risk of an assassination attempt. I would expect to see Obama becoming less available, not more available, to the public for the rest of the race on secret service advice, in case someone tries to kill him at a rally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myles_per_hour View Post
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    Well almost agreeing. Thankfully he cocked it up with his ever present rant about Clinton. Polls in fact show that if she was the candidate of the Dems she would be at an incredible 61%. And if Obama had her on the ticket he would be at 56%.

    What polls are you referring to ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myles_per_hour View Post
    [SIZE=4]No. No No. This can not be happening. [/SIZE]

    One other thing worries me. If it was close, I think it would be better for Obama's safety. But if as it is looking like, that Obama is going to win, that increases the danger of some right wing racist nutjob deciding that it is their god-given racial duty to stop a 'niigger' (PS: no racial insult intended, but that is the sick way the right wing think. I had to use the word to convey their thinking) getting into the White House by killing him. .
    Yes as we all know the Republicans were the one who were founded to preserve slavery and the solid south machine politics put Republican presidents in the white house time after time until it was dismantled in the 1950s and 1960s.



    Yes it is over. If it hadn't been for the crash McCain would have won but all we can say now is be it so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defeated Romanticist View Post
    Yes as we all know the Republicans were the one who were founded to preserve slavery and the solid south machine politics put Republican presidents in the white house time after time until it was dismantled in the 1950s and 1960s.
    Cynically misleading, DR. You know that for much of the century the Republicans had a strong liberal wing represented by the Rockerfellers, etc, while the Democrats had a strong racist element in the south. But in the 1970s and 1980s the Liberal Republicans were pushed out as it became the party of guns and God and moved further and further to the religious right, while Liberals congregated around the Democrats.

    Yes it is over. If it hadn't been for the crash McCain would have won but all we can say now is be it so.
    Oh My God.

    This cannot be happening.

    First, I agree with Keith M twice.

    Then DR admits the Republicans are going to lose.

    Forget the strange things happening in the economy, tonight on p.ie is the strangest thing of all. What next? Ian Paisley to become a Catholic???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myles_per_hour View Post
    Cynically misleading, DR. You know that for much of the century the Republicans had a strong liberal wing represented by the Rockerfellers, etc, while the Democrats had a strong racist element in the south. But in the 1970s and 1980s the Liberal Republicans were pushed out as it became the party of guns and God and moved further and further to the religious right, while Liberals congregated around the Democrats.
    Cynically misleading Myles,

    As you know, it was that awful, awful racist Nixon(what a terrible man) who in his two administrations in the 50s and the 68-74 one who did most of the heavy lifting in regards to civil rights. They were the ones who desegregated the schools, they were the ones who brought in school busing and it was Nixon who advocated civil rights long before Kennedy kopped it was popular.

    The reason the south went to the GOP was not because of race but because race exited politics and the Democrats became the party of radical social extremism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defeated Romanticist View Post
    Cynically misleading Myles,

    As you know, it was that awful, awful racist Nixon(what a terrible man) who in his two administrations in the 50s and the 68-74 one who did most of the heavy lifting in regards to civil rights. They were the ones who desegregated the schools, they were the ones who brought in school busing and it was Nixon who advocated civil rights long before Kennedy kopped it was popular.
    Did I ever say it wasn't. I said it was in the 1970s and 1980s that the Republicans moved to the right. It was. The religious right began infiltrating the Republicans in the late 1970s.

    The reason the south went to the GOP was not because of race but because race exited politics and the Democrats became the party of radical social extremism.
    By the standards of the rest of the world the Democrats are moderate Social Democrats. Only in the bizarre world of US politics, where the fulcrum of US politics moved so dramatically through the impact of organisations like the Moral Majority (a group that ironically was neither moral nor a majority) to a point that in most democracies would be on the extreme right, could the Democrats be considered radical social extremists. Most of the Democrats in Congress would be far too right wing to fit into the Irish Labour Party, for example, and the Irish Labour Party is one of the most right wing Labour Parties in Europe. And most Republicans would see Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael as way too liberal and socialist for their liking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defeated Romanticist View Post
    Yes as we all know the Republicans were the one who were founded to preserve slavery
    ??? Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. Indeed he was the first Republican president.
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