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    Hard to see how this debate will be much different from the first - economy and foreign policy will dominate no doubt - i do expect it to be more aggressive perhaps with McCain engaging in the GOP gutter politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draiocht23 View Post
    No, he just prefaces every sentence with "folks"..not to mention his use of it as a preposition and for punctuation.

    Maureen Dowd had a good piece in the NY Times about Palin's love of mangling the language.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/op...05dowd.html?em
    Using 'folks' doesn't make him folksy. He's still high-minded in his responses.

    Maybe Palin's proximity to Russia has affected her ability to speak English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by President Bartlet View Post
    Hard to see how this debate will be much different from the first - economy and foreign policy will dominate no doubt - i do expect it to be more aggressive perhaps with McCain engaging in the GOP gutter politics.
    IMO What one of the candidates needs to do is to act Presidential and outline how they are going to deal with the current financial crisis. And I don't mean the nonsense of the first debate, of what spending won't be shelled. It has gone way beyond such trivial concerns.

    What is needed is a real 'the country is on the brink of disaster' approach, and a coherent arguement and approach. If someone does this they will win. There is not a lot of leadership from the current incumbent so time to supplant him, he is irrelevant and a liability.

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    I've lost all interest in the contest at this stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    I've lost all interest in the contest at this stage.
    Because of the financial situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Allworthy View Post
    IMO What one of the candidates needs to do is to act Presidential and outline how they are going to deal with the current financial crisis. And I don't mean the nonsense of the first debate, of what spending won't be shelled. It has gone way beyond such trivial concerns.

    What is needed is a real 'the country is on the brink of disaster' approach, and a coherent arguement and approach. If someone does this they will win. There is not a lot of leadership from the current incumbent so time to supplant him, he is irrelevant and a liability.
    The problem is that both candidates know only the current version of wall street run capitalism and neither wants to reform it fundamentally.

    Thats why you won't see Nader or a real debate on stage tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    I've lost all interest in the contest at this stage.
    Starting to think Obie will win?
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    Multiple sources think McCain may go for the jugular in 1.5 hours:
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    McCain's Risky Move For Tonight's Debate

    We've been hearing for several days now how McCain is going to go the offensive at tonight's debate. Trot out one of hoariest of political clichés, that he is going to take off the gloves (McCain was asked last week when he was going to take off those gloves and he said "Tuesday" -- tonight.
    I don't see how he can given debate format?

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    The election could well be won or lost tonight.

    In the last two weeks public opinion seems to have moved decisively in Obama's direction.

    Unless McCain scores a knock-out, or Obama makes one almighty screw-up, the race looks as if it is all but over. And unless some other massive 'October Surprise' happens, then this is the key night. If Obama wins tonight, then barring some major shock development Obama will be president.

    So tonight make well be McCain's last chance. If he doesn't score a knock-out tonight, the momentum towards Obama may well become irreversible.

    One caveat though: the Bradley Effect. As I have said before, in past elections (congressional, senatorial, gubernatorial, mayoral, etc) a number of voters will declare to pollsters a willingness to vote for the Black candidate yet not do so on the day. I have explained the reasons on another thread. The Bradley effect can be anything from 2% to 9%. If the former, Obama will win. If the latter, it will be a McCain victory, or rather an Obama loss due to concealed racial attitudes.

    In summary, if the polls are correct, and McCain does not score a knock-out tonight, Obama is on target for a win, possibly even a comfortable win. The big caveat is the Bradley Effect: the odds are it will play a role. The questions is how big it is, and whether Obama's lead will be so big as to overcome it. (I hope to God it is.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    The town-hall format favours McCain.
    This has become a mantra-like truism in recent days, but I think it's lazy and overstates the advantage to McCain.

    When someone says McCain is good at the town-hall format, what they actually mean is that he is good in front of a partisan Republican crowd who pitch him softballs which he gets to "answer" while coming over all folksy/patriotic/wholsesome. This is why Bush likes this format so much too - he can stand around and talk arse to his heart's content and never get asked a tough question. Republicans place a premium on this chatty, "ordinary guy" schtick so they lap up these town hall events (even the name makes it sound like something from a Jimmy Stewert movie). Dems don't really. To that extent, the format suits Republicans more than Dems almost by definition, and IMO it is only in this narrow sense that the format "favours" McCain.

    On top of that, tonight's event will not be with a partisan audience, it's a 2-man show, and of course will be on TV. So the whole dynamic of a format McC is supposedly so good at is altered. He still has to appear presidential, so can't do too much of that aw-shucks, Sarah Palin style nonsense. He'll need to answer the questions he's asked, won't really be able to attack Obama, and will have to appear natural in the supposedly informal atmosphere. On all those counts, McC is not in great shape.

    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    I've lost all interest in the contest at this stage.
    On the basis that the last 8 years in the US have taught us that politicians are all the same?

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