Yep, I agree, however as far as the debate goes they both have to try and paint each other as wrong.Originally Posted by lostexpectation
If you support either candidate you're going to find a bit to cheer you in the debate. I wouldn't give it to either of them. The question really is how this plays with voters. Now is when the polls start to matter more as that "undecided" part starts to reduce (and it will after tonight). The VP debate should be a bit of crack. I'm off to sleep. Good night.
Ah. I'm watching CNN and DA BLITZAH has been muzzled to an extent by Anderson Cooper so there is some good insight for once.
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The surge is succeeding and could be reversible if the Americans walk out as Obama wants...
yeah he never picks up these points, because alot of people believe the surge is working so he leaves it, a mistake, but he did right to keep bringing it back to afghanistan
What does the Irish President spend their time doing. Work in progress
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Well observed. Excellent points.
So CNN show Obama clearly stating that in his first year of the presidency he would meet the likes of Iran/Venezuela etc....and yet today he tried to change it and say that he didn't say it.....and Biden/Clinton etc also attacked him about this....
Kissinger never claimed that the President should meet Iran's leaders like Obama claimed.....(Secretary of State level)...
Wtf are FOX news playing at??
Trying to compare Obama to Reagan??
None of those conservatives gave any credit to McCain, they must really hate him.
BBC even accused Obama of being indecisive, FOX news drawing positives for him.
McCain DID edge this debate but it looks like the media are gonna try to save Obama on this one.
A Gallup poll carried out in February of this year showed that 60% of the US public want a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq.yeah he never picks up these points, because alot of people believe the surge is working so he leaves it, a mistake, but he did right to keep bringing it back to afghanistan
The poll question asked:
60% of all Americans wanted a set timetable for withdrawal; 35% wanted to keep troops in Iraq until the situation gets better.If you had to choose, which do you think is better for the U.S. -- to keep a significant number of troops in Iraq until the situation gets better, even if that takes many years, or to set a timetable for removing troops from Iraq and to stick to that timetable regardless of what is going on in Iraq?
61% of Independents wanted a set timetable for withdrawal; 32% wanted to keep troops in Iraq until the situation gets better.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/ ... 08/gallup/
Obama is much more in tune with US public opinion on this issue and McCain's insistence tonight that he would keep US troops in Iraq indefinitely until 'success' is achieved was a political mistake.
IMO that's McCain's biggest mistake and it's what most people are going to remember about his foreign policy.
Very surprised at how well McCain performed.
First, on style, Obama was stumbling and not his usual crisp self, also alternating from engaging eye contact with McCain and the moderator, to contrived sincerity directly to the camera, i.e. nation. Only Clinton could be natural in his body language and eye contact
Obama just seemed unsure. Proof if any that there is a hell of a difference in being a good orator and a good debater.
On foreign policy. Mc Cain successfully threw back at Obama his initial feeble reactions re Russian and Georgia and his opposition to the surge in Iraq and failure to acknowledge the latter’s success. Also Obama made a major faux pax towards the end in talking about the negative image of America held by the rest of the World. Americans are pretty insular, the majority don't hold a passport, and this would reinforce in their minds that Obama was more concerned about the opinions of the rest of the world than doing what was best for American interests. It is not foreign policy the ordinary people are interested in, rather in if their Presidetn will be a good commander in Chief and in that sense McCain won hands donw.
Also, McCain's use of Reagan sound bites, 'trust but verify', was clever, Reagan has a strong place in the hearts of most Americans, and McCain milked it. The Reagan Democrats that Clinton won back will come again to McCain. Nostalgia is a potent trick to play in these times of uncertainty and fear.
I was disappointed that both played it too safe regarding the bail out becuase neither then was in any position to criticise the other on the issue. I had hoped, foolishly I suppose that one of them would screw their courage to the sticking post and say the bail out of those who caused the problem in the first place just could not be justified. McCain would have been more consistent as a ‘deregulator’ if he took that tack, and it would be a populist move, but he knows he would then be blamed for the consequent further collapse in the markets. Obama failed though to hit enough punches on this point, (McCain's love of de-regulation,) allowing McCain to defelc the point by his saying those responsible would be held to account and punished and giving examples of how he has been instrumental in ensuring corporate crooks were imprisoned in other industries.
Only on the Economy did Obama score some hits, but not knock out blows. Indeed he was unconvincing in regard to tax and spending, except in his use of the scalpel analogy, only for McCain to show that Obama's record would suggest he would not know what to do with the Scapel.
In relation to taxation and spending McCain managed to distance himself from Bush and Republican mismanagement, agian playing on his record and maverick status.
Also, Look how many times Obama mentioned the middle classes, four or more, alienating again the blue collar workers Clinton won over, and yet failing to deflect Mc Cain's punches re who would be best equipped to control spending and thus lower taxes for both the middle classes. Further confirming the Republican strategy that he was a middle class tax and spend liberal, aloof and out of touch with ordinary americans.
As things stand Mc Cain will hold the West and Mid West and will win blue collar states in Ohio. Pennsylvania and Michigan. Obama's performance will only be reassuring to those he already has, that critical mass of solid democratic Sates in the North East, California, and some in the South. Indeed Mc Cain may well dent Obama's lead there since he came across as more patriotic, e.g. Obama actually handing McCain the veteran’s card to play, rather like Dan Quayle gave Bentsen the JFK Card. The veterans card is important in the South.
Obama has a lot to do in the next two debates. McCain succeeded so well in selling the iamge he has alwasy wanted the Americans to have of him, a non Republican Republican with experience and someone who can be Commander in Chief, he really did make Obama look like a novice.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
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Sleep well the lot of you, whenever you go looking for it
"Unless you are an absolute pacifist, then you acknowledge that there are times when taking up arms is appropriate."
- cactusflower
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