The candidates and their policies

[junketman]

At last, a thread on policies and not personalities or their biographies...

Hopefully this will provide a forum where the policies of the candidates can be discussed. Maybe we can keep it positive, ie without saying your guys policies are dumber than my guys policies.

I will start off...

Obama advocates a multilateral foreign policy, meaning creating friends and allies around the world with mutually dependent interests. Problem areas such as Iranian nuclear programmes will be at first dealt with through negotiation and an attempt at a compromise and a deal. This way there will be no propaganda victories for the leaders of Iran who always like to show they can stand up to the might of the US. If Iran does not enter into negotiation and a compromise and persists in moving towards a nuclear weapons programme, then war will become an option.

Obama advocates a change at home, where people are put before profit. He advocates a change in the way energy is brought in from foreign countries who often use the oil revenue to fund terrorist organisations.

He wants an end to dumb wars that cost a lot of money and achieve nothing other than a great loss of life.

He wants the people to have a say in how their country is run and not an often hidden elite who answer to their friends once in office.

He wants an end to the way American jobs are shipped abroad for a quick profit.

Now...what does McCain stand for?

[20000miles]

Ahem...is this a serious discussion or another thread devoted to venerating Mr. Obama?

[junketman]

(a) its a serious discussion, certainly more serious than the 'what Sarah Palin had for breakfast' type threads...

and

(b) it seems to have gone down like a lead balloon which suggests policies don't really seem that important in this election.

[Van Damme]

Obama: far right wing capitalist who spouts on about changing America but he's just the same as any of them. Is Pro-choice.

McCain: see Obama but he's anti-abortion

[junketman]

Obama: far right wing capitalist who spouts on about changing America but he's just the same as any of them. Is Pro-choice.

McCain: see Obama but he's anti-abortion

How do you make that out when he is so liberal even by democratic standards...I think you are pulling the p*ss somehow...

[Van Damme]

Obama: far right wing capitalist who spouts on about changing America but he's just the same as any of them. Is Pro-choice.

McCain: see Obama but he's anti-abortion

How do you make that out when he is so liberal even by democratic standards...I think you are pulling the p*ss somehow...

Yes he is liberal economically. So is John McCain. They both have neo-liberal economic policies. What's the difference?

[popper]

I'd actually agree with you on that VD. Most Irish lefties, however, seem to be infatuated by Obama. At least you don't seem to equate radicalism with killing babies!

[junketman]

No he is liberal in terms of values and politics generally thats different to being liberal economically. That means he is in favour of letting the individual choose, whether to abort or not, what they can and cannot read in their libraries and from their bookshops. Sarah Palin for example banned books from her local bookshop. I don't know what the books were but that is a very dangerous prededent, nazi-like.

Obama believes government should intervene to protect workers, the health of people, where there is corruption.

Republicans are against government intervention so they can be as sleazy and corrupt as they please without interference from the government.

The ideal Republican state is where Republicans lock up in camps everyone who isn't republican, where you can shoot who you please without government interference, you don't pay taxes, you keep slaves, women serve men, they own every other country, you cannot have free choice, there is a massive budget deficit every year leading to cutbacks, jobs are shipped abroad by the million and corruption and bribery is a normal part of life.

[popper]

No he is liberal in terms of values and politics generally thats different to being liberal economically. That means he is in favour of letting the individual choose, whether to abort or not, what they can and cannot read in their libraries and from their bookshops. Sarah Palin for example banned books from her local bookshop. I don't know what the books were but that is a very dangerous prededent, nazi-like.

Obama believes government should intervene to protect workers, the health of people, where there is corruption.

Republicans are against government intervention so they can be as sleazy and corrupt as they please without interference from the government.

The ideal Republican state is where Republicans lock up in camps everyone who isn't republican, where you can shoot who you please without government interference, you don't pay taxes, you keep slaves, women serve men, they own every other country, you cannot have free choice, there is a massive budget deficit every year leading to cutbacks, jobs are shipped abroad by the million and corruption and bribery is a normal part of life.

THe only book bannings I've heard of in the US recently was of a book deemed to be offensive to Islamists. Any references for your claim?

The rest of it is all a rant from a party that for the most part opposed the abolition of slavery, which resisted desegregation in the south, which sent hundreds of thousands of troops to Vietnam. So spare the sanctimonious lectures thanks very much

[Thac0man]

Ahem...is this a serious discussion or another thread devoted to venerating Mr. Obama?

I don't think so. It is perhaps a welcome change. Obamas actual policies are rarely, if ever, discussed. I doubt many Obamanics are actually familier with them. I will watch this thread with interest.