Obamanics?Originally Posted by Thac0man
I don't think so. It is perhaps a welcome change. Obamas actual policies are rarely, if ever, discussed. I doubt many Obamanics are actually familier with them. I will watch this thread with interest.
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The OP certainly didn't wan't this to be a serious discussion about policy or 'my candidate is better than yours'.I don't think so. It is perhaps a welcome change. Obamas actual policies are rarely, if ever, discussed. I doubt many Obamanics are actually familier with them. I will watch this thread with interest.
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I absolutely meant it to be a serious thread and for people to focus at least in one thread on the issues and policies and not the personalities.The OP certainly didn't wan't this to be a serious discussion about policy or 'my candidate is better than yours'.I don't think so. It is perhaps a welcome change. Obamas actual policies are rarely, if ever, discussed. I doubt many Obamanics are actually familier with them. I will watch this thread with interest.
There has been a focus on what the candidates did in the past, 40 years ago in some cases which I fail to see the relevance in a much changed world.
I think ideally at some stage there should be a focus on what the candidates do once in office....no point having someone with great achievements in the past but of no use in the future, or someone who ran a small town, but has no idea how to run a country or someone who was editor of the Harvard Law Review but not sure what to do with the economy.
Of course if someone says something like Obama is a right wing capitalist you are going to ask them to elaborate and that may seem like you are saying my candidate is better than yours. If the debate can be kept as truthful as possible it would help, then no need to get into mud slinging.
But still waiting on the McCainites to come up with his policies on the economy, foreign policy, health care, protecting US jobs, the subprime crisis, etc.
OK then, I'll begin. From: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
Enact a Windfall Profits Tax to Provide a $1,000 Emergency Energy Rebate to American Families - somehow Obama beleives that raising taxes for oil companies won't increase the cost of petrol. And it is only because of the government that petrol companies are able to make such 'large' profits. By the way, Big Oil seems to be a huge whipping boy for Obama and McCain. As oil companies earn a paltry 9% profit, its hard to see why there isn't a 'windfall profit tax applied to other industries
Provide $50 billion to Jumpstart the Economy and Prevent 1 Million Americans from Losing Their Jobs - very inflationary policy that will only prolong the inevitable misery.
Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families, Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000 and Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000 - more money in everyones pocket. Sounds good. More of an incentive to work, etc.
Fight for Fair Trade - aka make goods more expensive for everyone.
Invest in our Next Generation Innovators and Job Creators, Invest In A Clean Energy Economy And Create 5 Million New Green Jobs - just as Bush's tax cuts didnt stop him from indulging in a war, Obama's tax cuts won't curtail his own spending plans either. Where is the money for all his plans going to come from?
Ensure Freedom to Unionize - excellent. Freedom of association is vital.
Raise the Minimum Wage - ie. make firms fire people rather than lower factor costs.
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And still no-one has been able to come up with one McCain policy...or one Palin policy...great, elect a team to the White House with no policies, on anything...
For the benefit of all... (including junketman who seems to think that McCain/Palin have no policies when it would have taken him ten seconds to Google)
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
No mistake about it though, McCain is an out-and-out conservative republican on most of the touchstone issues, i.e. economic growth and taxes, "judicial philosophy", gun rights, abortion, etc. At least he doesn't deny climate change, though the weight he places on market and technology-led solutions suggests would have neither the will or the party backing to help America make the cuts needed in emissions.
All in all, unless one favours more profound conservatism in the White House, it is difficult to see how one can support John McCain for President. Sure, experience, character and even personality matters but the greatest weapon a US President has is his legislative veto, the power to appoint Supreme Court judges, a massive military and a whole lot of nukes. I think America needs to take that power away from conservative Republicans, even if they're as decent and likeable as John McCain.
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both voted for FISA
both say they'd bomb iran
both support the american empire
both are committed to statism
both are bought-and-paid-for corporate mouthpieces
more football!
"Sorry, I must be getting mixed up with the voices in my ear"-Willie O'Dea 21/08/08
Debate the policies now that really is a sick joke. This video neatly illustrates the underlying problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAKXeyv ... nader.org/
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