Fox are already carrying the Obama camp rejection
Lads do ye not see the 14 point lead poll on post above ? Even Drudge is running with that & he doesn't usually do Probama polls.
cYp
"Yawn , am I alive yet ?"
Wow! The CBS/NYT polls are seriously damaging for McCain.
The changes from 6th October are dramatic.
The figures for the 14th October poll are as follows:
CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT (Among likely voters)
Obama-Biden 53%
McCain-Palin 39%
Undecided 6%
The figures for the 6th October poll are as follows:
CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT (Among likely voters)
Obama-Biden 48%
McCain-Palin 45%
Undecided 5%
Obama's gone from a 3% lead to a 14% lead in just over a week!
CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT AMONG INDEPENDENTS (Among likely voters who are independents)Obama now leads McCain among independents by 18 points. McCain had an advantage with them last week.
Obama 51%
McCain 33%
Undecided 10%
That compares to the last poll on the 6th October:
CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT AMONG INDEPENDENTS (Among likely voters who are independents)
Obama 39%
McCain 49%
Undecided 7%
Supporters' positions have hardened:
*The actual figure is 85% for each candidate.More than four out of five* of each candidate’s supporters now say their minds are made up and won’t change before the election.
There's nothing in this poll that could possibly give McCain comfort. Voters think he's less temperamentally suited to be president, trust him less on the economy and most think that he doesn't understand people like them. His supporters are less enthusiastic about him than Obama's.
The last week has been a disaster for McCain mainly because of his tactic of going negative, his poor debate performance and Palin.
His new 'underdog' tactic isn't likely to work either.
Every time McCain and Palin open their mouths they lose votes.
Maybe they should try a new tactic: keeping their mouths shut.![]()
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Last edited by jfk2008; 14th October 2008 at 11:44 PM.
Didn't happen.
Tuesday, October 14, 2008
Wall Street's Rollercoaster Ride Ends Red
The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 76.62 points, or 0.82%, to 9310.99, the broader S&P 500 dropped 5.34 points, or 0.53%, to 998.01 and the Nasdaq Composite lost 65.24 points, or 3.54%, to 1779.01.
It isn't over . . . but McCain is in deep deep deep trouble. Every statistic, every poll, every key state, every demographic, says that. Even longterm McCain fans on here like DR say things have turned badly for him. The reason is has gone pear-shaped is simple: His strengths were - experience - a credible record - someone able to appeal across parties. His VP pick has proved a disaster. His erractic behaviour has undermined his record. His (and more particularly) Palin's nasty bitter attacks on Obama have turned the middle ground away from any ticket with her on it. If the real John McCain was on show he would be far higher on the polls. But he has let himself down by allowing people he normally won't touch with a bargepole define his message. Obama in contrast comes across as cool, calm, rational, balanced and someone you could trust. That God if things are going the way they are we won't have that dreadful Palin woman as VP. In fact she is doing so badly she may kill off her own chances of being the POTUS candidate in four years time.
I meant to mention, apparently at this stage if Obama lost every race that is close he still would win the presidency. That is a remarkable turnaround in 1 month. One month ago this was knife-edge. Now it is in landslide territory.![]()
MPH,
Obama will win because he has managed to remain as silent as possible while the whole world blames the Republicans for the economic mess(not wrongly). Contributing to this has been McCain's bundled handling of it all with the campaign suspension, "the fundementals are strong" and his campaign focus. The McCain's campaign message was one of reform and all that guff. Plays well for the media but it is hard to make tangable for the ordinary voter. Obama on the otherhand has downplayed all of his loftiness and is running as a bread and butter Democrat and is sticking to that message religiously. He has never faced the kind of scrutiny that McCain and Palin faced but that is immaterial now. McCain was always extremely vunerable to events, if their had been an upsurge of violence in Iraq instead of an economic mess, that would have blown up in his face and Obama could have run on that.
His VP pick wasn't a disaster. She got the GOP machine behind McCain and as a result they are now in a stronger organisational position than Bush was in 04 and Bush's machine was until now unsurpassed, she would have swung Wisconsin and Minnesota behind McCain if it were not for the crash. But still Obama is stronger here too. McCain is just too starved for cash to make a comeback. His plan was to rely on the RNC to make up the difference between him and Obama in money but with Republicans like John Sheddegg and John Sununu fighting for their lives even that money is being sucked away.
If there hadn't been an economic crisis I think McCain would have squeezed it. The swing voters were about to lose their nerve about taking the Obama risk, but now McCain has created the false perception that he is the risk, and in politics perception is reality.
This election has turned into a campaign between George W Bush running for his third term and Jimmy Carter running for his second. Jimmy's winning, but America needed a George HW Bush or a Clinton. They won't have a chance to get that until 2012 when it could be too late.
Until then,
Sanford-Jindal '12!
Liquidate labour, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate.
YES WE CAN
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