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    About 45% of Americans hold stocks according to recent polling. 57% have a retirement fund but not all retirement funds are invested in the stock market.

    Not good for McCain since the Dow Jones, despite today's rally, has fallen by about 25% since last October's peak.

    As to recent data: In a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll completed Oct. 5, 49 percent of Americans said they were being personally affected by the Wall Street and mortgage crisis; considerably fewer, 20 percent, said they were being affected “a great deal.”

    Broader concern nonetheless clearly is high. In an ABC/Post poll Sept. 22, with the financial crises well underway but not yet at its fever pitch, 79 percent Americans were worried about the economy’s future, 72 percent about the performance of the stock market and 60 percent about their own family’s finances. Again, fewer in each case were “very” worried, 40, 33 and 22 percent, respectively. One obvious question is whether the ongoing crisis has heightened those high-level worries.

    Our ongoing ABC News consumer confidence index remained very low this week, -43 on its scale of +100 to -100 last week. It’s been stable, but part of that stability may stem from the fact that it’s computed on a four-week rolling average. We’ll see what happens when a fresh week rolls in next week. At the same time, likely for the same reasons cited above, the index has not responded dramatically to past stock market declines. (And one strongly negative factor on consumer views, gasoline prices, in fact have eased.)
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    The real economy is hurting too.

    There's bad news on the employment front.

    Unemployment is up and there's been a huge rise in the numbers of people forced to work part-time because they can't get full-time work: 6.1 million in the 12 months to the end of August.

    GM and Chrysler are holding merger talks. If the merger goes ahead it will lead to thousands of layoffs, adding to the over 100,000 jobs lost in the US auto-industry in the last year.

    No wonder McCain's given up on Michigan.

    US demand for oil in the period January to July 2008 fell at the fastest rate since 1980.

    Demand for expensive consumer goods fell by over 5% in August. Even more worringly, demand for non-defence capital goods fell by 7.5% in August.

    All these statistics show that the real economy is slowing down dramatically as the US heads for recession.

    None of this bodes well for McCain.

    If the media focus on the Wall Street and banking crisis shifts to reporting signs of increasing unemployment and recession then he'll be in even more trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myksav View Post
    Nope. The majority of Americans are not, in fact, investors in the stock markets.
    Middle and lower income groups will see Obama as a better bet than McCain on promised tax regimes.
    McCain's ideas favour those with most, in the hope of a "trickle-down effect" will happen. It doesn't, not in any meaningful manner to the middle and lower income groups.
    Obama's ideas favour the lower and middle income groups with lower income taxes. This gives people more money to spend, which they will. Oddly enough, this would increase the tax take to the Gov't, local, State and Federal as every purchase has taxes going to each level.

    Whether some or any of the promises from either candidate are carried through is moot at this point, it's the belief that they will do what they promise, what those promises are and how they would personally effect each voter that counts.
    Well if you include pension-funds effectively the vast majority are investors on the stock-market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Well if you include pension-funds effectively the vast majority are investors on the stock-market.
    Which is still down over 25% from last October's peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfk2008 View Post
    Which is still down over 25% from last October's peak.
    The rising tide will eventually lift those boats too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    The rising tide will eventually lift those boats too.
    What rising tide? The Dow Jones hasn't even recovered to it's end September position, let alone last October's peak.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jfk2008 View Post
    What rising tide? The Dow Jones hasn't even recovered to it's end September position, let alone last October's peak.

    It will make up that ground quick enough if they keep having rallies like today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    The rising tide will eventually lift those boats too.
    If the boats have holes in them they don't rise with the tide.

    And no, I don't count pension funds as stock market investments by the pension holders. The providers? Yes, they are investors.
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    It will make up that ground quick enough if they keep having rallies like today.
    If.

    Shares in British banks fell today, despite the money that the UK government pumped into them.

    Why? Because some of their profits will have to be paid to the government and dividends will be reduced.

    US banks will also have to reduce dividends and most US companies are facing falling profits. Those two factors will push the Dow Jones down again soon enough.

    http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/13/news...ion=2008101313
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    Yesterday's polls:


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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Analysts are expecting the Dow rally to continue possibly for weeks

    No they are not.

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