Obama v McCain Polling

[Clareman]

I don't Wright will give Republicans a winning advantage but I wouldn't see it as a despicable thing or anything like that to use him against Obama, after all he did say Goddamn America, therefore I felt McCain was being a bit precious in condemning those who made ads about it

[wombat]

Obama has been likened to JFK but is he not more like Jimmy Carter who seems to be a good man but wasn't a great President. Its unfortunate but being the leader of a major power means having to do things which ordinary people would rather not, including using military force. When Carter was president, he cutoff all military contact with the various military govts. of Sth. America. In the case of Argentina and Chile, the U.S. was replaced by Britain & France as arms suppliers. In central America, Guatamala, the military were able to replace the arms from the open market as they only needed them to opress their own people but without the U.S. influence, they became more savage. We should be careful what we wish for, we may get more than we expected.

[NotDevsSon]

Polls right now are meaningless. Obama is experiencing a honeymoon phase and of course will be trouncing McCain. The same thing happened with Brown versus Cameron when Brown took over. As Brown's experience showed numbers taken in the immediate aftermath of a new candidate being chosen are utterly useless.

[Universal_001]

I don't Wright will give Republicans a winning advantage but I wouldn't see it as a despicable thing or anything like that to use him against Obama, after all he did say Goddamn America, therefore I felt McCain was being a bit precious in condemning those who made ads about it

The legitimate question was, this guy was his pastor, did he influence his thinking, the answer is no, theres nothing in his policies or speaches even remotly similar to anything Wright was saying, once you've demonstrated this but keep talking about it, it becomes a distraction.

The republicans can't run on their record, like Gore did in 2000, because their president has Nixon pre-impeachement like approval ratings.
So all they have left is sleaze, they will run viral and whisper campagns saying hes a secret muslem, they'll run 527 ads linking the flag pin thing with the Michelle Obama pride gaff and Wright together to paint him as unamerican.
, but this wont work as it's not 2000 or 2004, the dynamic shifted in 2006 when the American people got buyers remorse over what they did in 2004.

Only one thing will work, racism, I think stuff like the above will give people cover, I severly doubt 11% of the population REALLY are dumb enough to think hes a muslem, considering the trouble with his CHRISTIAN pastor, but saying thats why you object to him saves you sayin "I don't want a N***** in the white house"

[Clareman]

i think Obama is a much stronger candidate on the basics, charisma, message, delivery, organization and finance. As you say 527 groups will lie and use racism in their ads against him. Unfortunately I don't think Wright has gone away as an issue, I read Obama's first book and there are many mentions of Wright and his church in it which Republicans can and will use it against him. Apart from that nobody knows what will crop up in the next few months for both sides.

[Universal_001]

i think Obama is a much stronger candidate on the basics, charisma, message, delivery, organization and finance. As you say 527 groups will lie and use racism in their ads against him. Unfortunately I don't think Wright has gone away as an issue, I read Obama's first book and there are many mentions of Wright and his church in it which Republicans can and will use it against him. Apart from that nobody knows what will crop up in the next few months for both sides.

I actually think one of the few good things about the prolonged primary race was the Wright thing was flogged to death, and people are sick listenin to it, the shock value has worn off, Newt Gingrich said if they run on it they will loose, those 3 lost primaries prove that.

This wont stop the Wright ads by 527s and worse, but the good thing about this is that the ads, down to the exact words are so predictable that they are easy to plan for, I just hope Obama doens't puss out like Kerry did with the Swift Boat Vets, and cuts it down right away.

[Clareman]

He seems much better at cutting off Republican attacks at the knees than Kerry was, particularly in the recent exchange over Iran and with his race speech in March. if Wright crops up again he may need to give another even more definitive speech particularly as he has had to change his position on the issue and has resigned fron his church.

[Universal_001]

He seems much better at cutting off Republican attacks at the knees than Kerry was, particularly in the recent exchange over Iran and with his race speech in March. if Wright crops up again he may need to give another even more definitive speech particularly as he has had to change his position on the issue and has resigned fron his church.

I dont remember if it was the Wright speach but he was saying before that he can understand how angry someone would be that a less qualified candidate gets a job just because their black and affirmative action needs reform to apply to economic conditions not race, and that it was ridicilious that his daughters who come from a family that recently became wealthy may have an advantage over poor white kids in college admissions, he needs to go into the southern swing states and talk like that!

[NotDevsSon]

He seems much better at cutting off Republican attacks at the knees than Kerry was, particularly in the recent exchange over Iran and with his race speech in March. if Wright crops up again he may need to give another even more definitive speech particularly as he has had to change his position on the issue and has resigned fron his church.

Actually he is not particularly good (being better than Kerry is a bit like saying Manchester City are better than Walsall!) at ending controversies. He needed to kill of the Wright issue in one go cleanly. He has had to revisit it repeatedly, adding in more and more, and still has not killed off the story decisively, which he could have done if he had faced up to it when it first appeared. A host of lesser issues have arisen in the last 5 months but Obama has not cleanly killed them off either.

[Clareman]

I am a City fan and we are a hell of a lot better than Walsall, who else beat the European champions twice this season!