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    Hillary comes back... Ohio in the bag

    Just watching Hillary live....she is back. The Obama train has stalled. Her base won it for her in Ohio. Even white men broke for her. The NAFTA bungle seems to have lost it for Obama.

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    Re: Hillary comes back... Ohio in the bag

    Quote Originally Posted by westair
    Just watching Hillary live....she is back. The Obama train has stalled. Her base won it for her in Ohio. Even white men broke for her. The NAFTA bungle seems to have lost it for Obama.
    Change we can't believe in?
    Going behind the back of the voters to reassure someone that your campaign rehtoric is meaningless looks like more of the same, not change you can believe in!

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    Obama may well have peaked.

    The press have started to ask questions they should have a month ago.

    Look at his body language second video down.

    http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/03 ... -official/

    He isn't good under this sort of direct, specific questioning. He got mauled. Also he may even be called as a witness for the defence in the Rezko case. What an electoral nightmare.

    NAFTA proves what many of us have been saying ie he is insincere and his campaign is no more than a string of platitudes and no real conviction. Sole purpose is to get him elected no other purpose or vision, that stuff is all floss.

    Looks like he may have peaked and no one has really started on the cocaine use, (or dealing?), Marxist rebels, liberal, lack of experience, voting record, doing favours forthe nuclear industry who funded him, or the misleading claims about not voting for the war, when in fact he couldn't vote.

    Look at him in the debates, how often did you hear I agree with Senator Clinton?

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    Hi, here's a handy little tool:

    http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/

    Set the results for today, and then set every other race to be won by 10 points by Clinton (55%). Note that she is still 50 delegates short.

    Let's get this straight. Clinton will stay in the race but you are banking on super delegates to win it for her. That is, I feel, suicidal for the Dem. party, but, it wouldn't be the first time they'd shot themselves in both feet, would it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmesis
    Hi, here's a handy little tool:

    http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/
    Thanks

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    Is there not a primary and caucus in Texas?
    Did she win both?

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    Re: Hillary comes back... Ohio in the bag

    Quote Originally Posted by westair
    Just watching Hillary live....she is back. The Obama train has stalled. Her base won it for her in Ohio. Even white men broke for her. The NAFTA bungle seems to have lost it for Obama.
    Sorry Westair, but you and other Clintonites have to get real. I find this race fascinating, and this is a good win for Clinton, but you guys are losing the run of yourselves entirely here.

    It's acknowledged that Clinton cannot win the delegate count. She had her leads of two weeks ago eroded in both large states. She would have to win the rest of the states by a landslide to secure the demoratic will of the party.

    Therefore, for her to be the nominee she would have to rely on superdelegates to overturn the democratic will of the party.

    Now, after you've all calmed down and had a coffee (that'll possibly take a couple of days), looks at numbers. The maths are stacked against her and that's what counts.

    I would like to see a Democrat in the White House. I would prefer Obama to Clinton, but I think they are both good candidates. However, I think that a decision by super delegates to overturn the democractic will of the party would lead to a significant protest vote. It would not be a good way to begin a national campaign in any case. ("Hmm yes, well, we know that the party chose coke to represent us, but we decided to put forward Pepsi anyway")

    So, if you want a democrat in the White House, how can you look at the maths and plug for Hillary?

    http://www.slate.com/id/2185819/pagenum/2

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    Oh no, not Hillary Clingfilm!

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    Get a grip on yourselves guys. The Clintons architected and pushed NAFTA in 1994. If anyone's going to stick by it and worsen the American jobs market it's Hillary. Obama's opinion is less-than-important.
    If only because he didn't write the damn thing he'll be less committed to it.

    Nice deflection by the Clinton campaign though, I must admit.
    Marxists, Feminists and Leftists operate on the basis of "liberating tolerance" - i.e. their ideas should be tolerated, and any opposition should be suppressed.

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    Florida looks like having another Primary unless some voters decide to sue to get their votes included...would be kind of difficult for Party to refuse it.

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