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    johnnypockets johnnypockets is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by cranberry1 View Post
    I see they conveniently leave out Obama's graff
    the numbers for the Trump administration are that
    he would raise the deficit by 1.5 trillion if his economic
    policy does not go to plan .
    'graff'...jaysus
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    Quote Originally Posted by cranberry1 View Post
    Your quoting a totally different airplane , the globe master has a range of 6,500 miles , and can be refueled in mid air if needed . and the distance from the east coast of the U.S.A is 5,600 miles to Israel
    Quote Originally Posted by cranberry1 View Post
    No I did not , I just went back and read my post's .
    Liar
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    You have a big problem with Vladimir Putin's Eurasian Union, then.

    A war mongering Superstate led by a kleptocrat that has already invaded its neighbours and committed genocide in Chechnya.

    Putin's Eurasian Economic Union: the Other EU

    I await your flaming condemnation of this monstrosity.
    You do realise in your paranoid frantic hysteria about Russia ...that some of us are more concerned about the behaviour of the political entity we live in first and foremost ...can you grasp that Probably not

    Oh and you claimed the EU economy was booming ...its been in the doldrums for over a decade FFS!! .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by brughahaha View Post
    You do realise in your paranoid frantic hysteria about Russia ...that some of us are more concerned about the behaviour of the political entity we live in first and foremost ...can you grasp that Probably not

    Oh and you claimed the EU economy was booming ...its been in the doldrums for over a decade FFS!! .....
    Owde's not right in the head. Trump told NATO to day that Germany is over reliant on Russian gas, He asks why the US should pay
    to secure Germany against Russia when Germany is paying so much money to Russia for fuel. He said Germany is shutting down its nuclear power stations and its coal mines and then relying of Russia. He said Russia now controls Germany.

    This same Germany is denying my sale for my beef to Russia while trading with them bigly. This must stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnypockets View Post
    Liar
    We'll have to introduce you to Valamhic.
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    valamhic valamhic is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatullusV View Post
    Your link says no such thing. In the US, barrels appear to be single use, but supply to foreign markets is surely only a matter of convenience. There is no indication that producers of whisk(e)y are reliant on that supply.

    Of course Bourbon can be stored and improved over time, but the manufacturers will have a cash flow problem if a significant part of their inventory is unsold. Their aging stock will have been manufactured on the assumptions of smooth marketing predictions.

    Tell me how well soybeans store.
    You're full of crap and know nothing about the whiskey market at all. That's OK is you refrained from pushing your ignorance on the rest of us.

    There are only two sources of maturation casks for spirits. 1) French oak which is in limited supply and used to mature sherry. The used casks are used to age whiskey and brandy. They provide a particular character to whiskey and a slightly prune colour. They are ,limited in supply and their spirit is confined to a select clientele. A little sherry aged spirit is blended with Bourbon aged spirit depending on brand. Some are used for brandy. Brandy is cut with up to half whiskey. Pure brandy is rare.

    2) American White oak casks are used exclusively for aging American whiskey. Only pure corn whiskey does not have to be aged, but it usually is. Straight Bourbon must be aged for a minimum of 2 years (it is usually 5 or 6 years). The casks must be new (never used previously) and must be charred inside (burned). Once emptied, these casks cannot be re-filled with straight bourbon by law.

    This is not practice, this is the law of the USA. These used casks can be used for cheaper (not straight) bourbon which is sold in the USA.

    There is no market for this cheap spirits in Europe, the market is for the various excellent straight bourbons. Maker's Mark, Buffalo Trace, Jim Bean and Virginia gentleman being examples. Once used straight casks are sold to the home market but the bulk goes to Ireland, Scotland and Japan. The bourbon scent actually adds to Irish pot still and Scotch malts and grain spirit. If effective tariffs were imposed on Bourbon there would still be new casks from US forests to store it. It would take several years for the bond space to be exhausted at which stage distilleries would have to cut production.

    If America stopped sending their casks to Ireland and Scotland, there would only be French Oak and it would be very limited. Most Irish and Scottish distilling would have to stop. Indeed brandy would be severely hit. Irish Powers whiskeys are close to 100% American oak aged, as is Paddy and Bushmills and Cooley whiskey.

    Only Irish type Pot still whiskey is suitable for Cream Liquors like Bailies, so if there were no American Oak Casks there would be no Bailies.

    So it is ignorant to claim that the system for aging whiskey and brandy is an economic one contrived for convenience.. It is one which evolved over centuries to produce spirits of the character sought by consumers and to distinguish spirits which don't conform to the strict standards been labelled in the same wording as those that do. Tariffs on Bourbon would hit Europe a lot more than the US.

    An oak tree can take over 200 years to grow. Irish and Scotch whiskey must be aged for 3 years and can be aged for up to 21 years. The age must describe the youngest spirit in the blend.
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    There are two thing for sure.

    1) The EU cannot place trade tariffs on American alcoholic spirits without destroying its own spirit industry and the retailers who rely on a supply for sale.

    2) The EU exports cars to the USA and is vulnerable to tariffs on them.

    So what can the EU do? They could place tariffs on US renewable biomass which is wood chippings from the oak cask industry and other woods. That would close Drax or force a move back to coal which is not renewable,

    In reality Trump holds all the cards, the EU is helpless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valamhic View Post
    There are two thing for sure.

    1) The EU cannot place trade tariffs on American alcoholic spirits without destroying its own spirit industry and the retailers who rely on a supply for sale.

    2) The EU exports cars to the USA and is vulnerable to tariffs on them.

    So what can the EU do? They could place tariffs on US renewable biomass which is wood chippings from the oak cask industry and other woods. That would close Drax or force a move back to coal which is not renewable,

    In reality Trump holds all the cards, the EU is helpless.
    You're in thrall to that oaf. Read the link.

    https://www.bmwusfactory.com/bmw_art...tive-exporter/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Man or Mouse View Post
    You're in thrall to that oaf. Read the link.

    https://www.bmwusfactory.com/bmw_art...tive-exporter/
    It proves my point. The EU cannot impose any tariffs on trade with the US, to do so would finish their car making economies and destroy their own alcoholic beverage industries.

    I can think of no product they could apply tariffs on. OH, maybe Hollywood movies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnypockets View Post
    Liar
    Trump has cleverly made the connection between Germany energy policy and its defense/NATO policy.

    He asks Merkel.

    Trump: Why are you shutting down you nuclear power plants?
    Merkel: Don't know.
    Trump:Why are you turning away from coal generation of electricity?
    Merkel: To save co2 emissions.

    Trump: The answer is "because you will get its fuel from Russia". How will that reduce co2.

    Merkel: Its Russian Fuel so it will be Russian co2.

    Trump; Then join the Warsaw pact.
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