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    The Wars of Donald Trump

    The Hot Wars

    Afghanistan

    "In 2017, Afghanistan saw a mini-surge of roughly 4,000 additional U.S. troops (with more to come), a major spike in air strikes, and an onslaught of munitions of all sorts, including MOAB (the mother of all bombs), the never-before-used largest non-nuclear bomb in the U.S. arsenal, as well as precision weapons fired by B-52s against suspected Taliban drug laboratories. By the Air Force’s own count, 4,361 weapons were “released” in Afghanistan in 2017 compared to 1,337 in 2016. Despite this commitment of warriors and weapons, the Afghan war remains — according to American commanders putting the best possible light on the situation — “stalemated,” with that country’s capital Kabul currently under siege."

    Turkey versus Syrian Kurds

    "Along the Syrian-Turkish border a new conflict seems to be heating up between American-backed Kurdish forces and NATO ally Turkey."

    War on ISIS

    "U.S.-led coalition forces have launched more than 10,000 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria since Donald Trump became president, unleashing 39,577 weapons in 2017. (The figure for 2016 was 30,743.) The “caliphate” is now gone and ISIS deflated but not defeated, since you can’t extinguish an ideology solely with bombs. "

    Yemen

    "Yet another strife-riven country, Yemen, witnessed a sixfold increase in U.S. airstrikes against al-Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula (from 21 in 2016 to more than 131 in 2017). "

    Somalia

    In Somalia, which has also seen a rise in such strikes against al-Shabaab militants, U.S. forces on the ground have reached numbers not seen since the Black Hawk Down incident of 1993.

    In each of these countries, there are yet more ruins, yet more civilian casualties, and yet more displaced people. And we have not got to Ukraine, North Korea or the South China Sea, all potential flashpoints for NATO or the US.

    Meanwhile, a network of 800 military bases spread across 172 countries helps enable US wars and interventions. By the count of the Pentagon, at the end of the last fiscal year about 291,000 personnel (including reserves and Department of Defense civilians) were deployed in 183 countries worldwide, which is the functional definition of a military uncontained.

    National Security:

    Yet, none of the above operations are principal focus of American National Security Policy, as enunciated in December. That sees the world as a zero-sum game with rivals Russia and China. What is good for the China and Russia is bad for America, and vice versa. The notion of common interest in peace has taken a lower priority.

    But the President seldom mentions Russia and China in this sense. In fact, Trump passed on an opportunity to impose sanctions on Russia for its subversion of the US political process.

    National Security has been outsourced completely to the military, as well as the the current wars. The only conflict in which Trump has a tweeting interest is the one against ISIS, which plays well to his brand and his base. Otherwise, Afghanistan got a fleeting mention in his State of the Union speech. Burgeoning conflicts in Occupied Palestine, Kurdistan and Lebanon (where 2 million Syrian refugees have destabilised politics) were ignored. The QATAR - Saudi squabble is still unresolved.

    US troop increases in the Middle East and their increased aggression were passed over the President.

    Trump also promises to spend even more on the American military, including on a new generation of nuclear weapons. With an Administration and a Congressional Majority who have blown out the Federal Deficit with tax cuts for the wealthy, it is clear that the money for this can only come from Welfare, Medicare and other programmes.

    Rhetoric and Reality

    In his presidential campaign, Trump was presented as a shrewd businessman who could cast a sharp eye over America's overseas military and aid commitments. "Re-balancing" is a necessity for America, if it is not to destroy itself by overstretch.

    Trump's focus, if he could be said to have one, is on ISIS and Islam, mainly in regard to immigration. Preventing ISIS assaults within the US is important of course, but ISIS as a strategic threat ranks far, far below Russia and China, according to Trump's own signed-off National Security Policy.

    It is excellent to report that the fears that Trump would engage in a precipitate withdrawal of American forces did not happen. But the needed review and re-balancing has not happened either. In his attitude to the military, Trump has all the appearances of a indulgent sugar-daddy. He has ticked the box "All of the Above" when it comes to choosing where America will be heavily involved and what its long-term objectives are.

    As the French statesman, Georges Clemenceau said: "War is too important to be left to generals". The State Department has been decimated of its senior diplomats, and Rex Tillerson reduced to anonymity. The US does not even have an Ambassador to South Korea. The proposed individual was canned for saying that attacking North Korea was not a good idea.

    There is a terrible incoherence at the heart of American foreign and military policy, and its name is Trump.

    https://www.juancole.com/2018/02/ame...-standing.html

    https://www.vox.com/2018/1/31/169547...foreign-policy
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    According to "Fire and Fury" the Pentagon wanted 50,000 troops in Afghanistan but Bannon was strongly opposed, so Trump agreed the smaller number - which was still too much for Bannon.

    In any case Trump will be remembered as the President who defeated ISIS. Its essentially defeated already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    According to "Fire and Fury" the Pentagon wanted 50,000 troops in Afghanistan but Bannon was strongly opposed, so Trump agreed the smaller number - which was still too much for Bannon.

    In any case Trump will be remembered as the President who defeated ISIS. Its essentially defeated already.
    I presume you are joking?

    Afghanistan is the US' longest war and Trump has turned it into a "forever war", which the US will achieve victory. There is no diplomatic effort accompanying the military effort. In fact, Trump has chosen to alienate Pakistan, something will will cause American lives. Not saying Pakistan is above reproach, but Trump's chosen method was boorish and counter-productive.

    Incidentally, the US has also pledged itself to a forever war against Iran in Syria, on behalf on Israel and Saudi Arabia. Direct and open conflict between Israel and Iran in Syria is only a few incidents away, and Lebanon is already tottering back to civil war. I hope Trump is enjoying his cheeseburgers.

    The death of ISIS has been greatly exaggerated. The Caliphate has been eliminated, and if any American can take credit, it is Barack Obama.

    But ISIS still exists as a terrorist force and now exists in Afghanistan, too. Its spread to Palestine and Gaza has probably already happened. If Trump is taking a victory lap over his ISIS "win", he is in for a rude shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    According to "Fire and Fury" the Pentagon wanted 50,000 troops in Afghanistan but Bannon was strongly opposed, so Trump agreed the smaller number - which was still too much for Bannon.

    In any case Trump will be remembered as the President who defeated ISIS. Its essentially defeated already.
    The fool Obama said that defeating ISIS would require a "multi-generational" effort. ISIS recruitment soared, as would-be jihadis took Obama at his word.

    President Trump said he would "wipe ISIS off the face of the earth". ISIS crumbled, as would-be jihadis understood that joining ISIS would lead to a quick ignominious death.

    Obama was an articulate fool, while Trump understands human nature.
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    You do talk such utter sh1te! ISIS have not wiped off the face of the earth -far from it
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    Quote Originally Posted by President Bartlet View Post
    You do talk such utter sh1te! ISIS have not wiped off the face of the earth -far from it
    ISIS will just morph into another form.

    Eliminating a territorial entity like the Caliphate is one thing - destroying a hydra-headed terrorist monster is another.

    ISIS in Afghanistan Is Like a Balloon That Won't Pop: Thursday’s [December 2017] fatal attack in Kabul highlights the group’s resilience.
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    So your arguing that Trump ranoed up military engagement across the world but so presumably the effects of that are Trump's effects.

    Although there was about a 30% increase under Trump against ISIS are you still maintaining that ISIS was defeated by Obama?

    It seems like Trump did ramp up enough to help break them. You'd surely agree that both made a contribution.
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    Zoo this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    The Hot Wars

    Afghanistan

    "In 2017, Afghanistan saw a mini-surge of roughly 4,000 additional U.S. troops (with more to come), a major spike in air strikes, and an onslaught of munitions of all sorts, including MOAB (the mother of all bombs), the never-before-used largest non-nuclear bomb in the U.S. arsenal, as well as precision weapons fired by B-52s against suspected Taliban drug laboratories. By the Air Force’s own count, 4,361 weapons were “released” in Afghanistan in 2017 compared to 1,337 in 2016. Despite this commitment of warriors and weapons, the Afghan war remains — according to American commanders putting the best possible light on the situation — “stalemated,” with that country’s capital Kabul currently under siege."

    Turkey versus Syrian Kurds

    "Along the Syrian-Turkish border a new conflict seems to be heating up between American-backed Kurdish forces and NATO ally Turkey."

    War on ISIS

    "U.S.-led coalition forces have launched more than 10,000 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria since Donald Trump became president, unleashing 39,577 weapons in 2017. (The figure for 2016 was 30,743.) The “caliphate” is now gone and ISIS deflated but not defeated, since you can’t extinguish an ideology solely with bombs. "

    Yemen

    "Yet another strife-riven country, Yemen, witnessed a sixfold increase in U.S. airstrikes against al-Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula (from 21 in 2016 to more than 131 in 2017). "

    Somalia

    In Somalia, which has also seen a rise in such strikes against al-Shabaab militants, U.S. forces on the ground have reached numbers not seen since the Black Hawk Down incident of 1993.

    In each of these countries, there are yet more ruins, yet more civilian casualties, and yet more displaced people. And we have not got to Ukraine, North Korea or the South China Sea, all potential flashpoints for NATO or the US.

    Meanwhile, a network of 800 military bases spread across 172 countries helps enable US wars and interventions. By the count of the Pentagon, at the end of the last fiscal year about 291,000 personnel (including reserves and Department of Defense civilians) were deployed in 183 countries worldwide, which is the functional definition of a military uncontained.

    National Security:

    Yet, none of the above operations are principal focus of American National Security Policy, as enunciated in December. That sees the world as a zero-sum game with rivals Russia and China. What is good for the China and Russia is bad for America, and vice versa. The notion of common interest in peace has taken a lower priority.

    Yet, the President seldom mentions Russia and China in this sense. In fact, Trump passed on an opportunity to impose sanctions on Russia for its subversion of the US political process.

    National Security has been outsourced completely to the military, as well as the the current wars. The only conflict in which Trump has a tweeting interest is the one against ISIS, which plays well to his brand and his base. Otherwise, Afghanistan got a fleeting mention in his State of the Union speech. Burgeoning conflicts in Occupied Palestine, Kurdistan and Lebanon (where 2 million Syrian refugees have destabilised politics) were ignored. The QATAR - Saudi squabble is still unresolved.

    US troop increases in the Middle East and their increased aggression were passed over the President.

    Trump also promises to spend even more on the American military, including on a new generation of nuclear weapons. With an Administration and a Congressional Majority who have blown out the Federal Deficit with tax cuts for the wealthy, it is clear that the money for this can only come from Welfare, Medicare and other programmes.

    Rhetoric and Reality

    In his presidential campaign, Trump was presented as a shrewd businessman who could cast a sharp eye over America's overseas military and aid commitments. "Re-balancing" is a necessity for America, if it is not to destroy itself by overstretch.

    Trump's focus, if he could be said to have one, is on ISIS and Islam, mainly in regard to immigration. Preventing ISIS assaults within the US is important of course, but ISIS as a strategic threat ranks far, far below Russia and China, according to Trump's own signed-off National Security Policy.

    It is excellent to report that the fears that Trump would engage in a precipitate withdrawal of American forces did not happen. But the needed review and re-balancing has not happened either. In his attitude to the military, Trump has all the appearances of a indulgent sugar-daddy. He has ticked the box "All of the Above" when it comes to choosing where America will be heavily involved and what its long-term objectives are.

    As the French statesman, Georges Clemenceau said: "War is too important to be left to generals". The State Department has been decimated of its senior diplomats, and Rex Tillerson reduced to anonymity. The US does not even have an Ambassador to South Korea. The proposed individual was canned for saying that attacking North Korea was not a good idea.

    There is a terrible incoherence at the heart of American foreign and military policy, and its name is Trump.

    https://www.juancole.com/2018/02/ame...-standing.html

    https://www.vox.com/2018/1/31/169547...foreign-policy
    Good overview by the way
    +1
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    "On balance, it could be argued that, one year in, Trump has continued large swathes of Obama’s foreign policy, with more purpose, a lot more noise, but also – to a limited degree – more success. "

    gulftoday.ae | Mary Dejevksy: Surprisingly, Trump
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