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    Senator K. Gillibrand: "Bill Clinton should’ve resigned over his sexual behaviour"; Why doesn't Trump?


    Certainly, if the Monica Lewinsky affair had come to light now, a sitting President would have to resign. No major company would tolerate its CEO bedding a young intern in his organisation. It is just sleazy.

    But 1999 was another matter - then the defence was that it was a "private affair", not affecting the performance of the President's constitutional duties. Indeed Clinton was not impeached for the affair, but for lying about it under oath, and the impeachment failed. The contrary argument was that the affair "spoke to his character", and his character was unworthy of a President.

    So the precedent established by Republicans then, and now by all, is that low sexual behaviour is unworthy of the Presidential office, and the office holder should resign.

    So why is Donald Trump still tolerated in office? Surely it is only a matter of time before he must step down?

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    Trump’s Tweet Condemning Al Franken Assault Allegations Backfires Spectacularly
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    Women say they were sexually harassed working on the Clinton, Sanders campaigns: report Women allege sexual harassment while working on Clinton, Sanders campaigns: report | TheHill
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post

    Certainly, if the Monica Lewinsky affair had come to light now, a sitting President would have to resign. No major company would tolerate its CEO bedding a young intern in his organisation. It is just sleazy.

    But 1999 was another matter - then the defence was that it was a "private affair", not affecting the performance of the President's constitutional duties. Indeed Clinton was not impeached for the affair, but for lying about it under oath, and the impeachment failed. The contrary argument was that the affair "spoke to his character", and his character was unworthy of a President.

    So the precedent established by Republicans then, and now by all, is that low sexual behaviour is unworthy of the Presidential office, and the office holder should resign.

    So why is Donald Trump still tolerated in office? Surely it is only a matter of time before he must step down?

    Stephen King ✔@StephenKing
    Trump on Franken: Pot discusses sins of the kettle.


    Trump’s Tweet Condemning Al Franken Assault Allegations Backfires Spectacularly
    Note I hate Trump but can't resist pointing out inconsistencies.

    Trump was elected after all these allegations and furore had been well aired, i.e. the public decided it wasn't disqualifying. The same could not be said for Clinton in the late 90s. The main hypocricy on display here is Democrats who tolerated Clinton getting into a flap about similar or lesser charges about their opponents and secondly, Trump attacking Al Franken given his own issues and silence on Jude Roy Moore.
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    JUST IN: Florida Dem Party chair resigns after allegations of "creepy" behavior toward women Florida Dem Party chair resigns amid allegations of inappropriate behavior | TheHill
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    Democrats are only dumping Bill Clinton now because Hillary isn't politically useful any more. They tried to sweep this stuff under the carpet last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post

    Certainly, if the Monica Lewinsky affair had come to light now, a sitting President would have to resign. No major company would tolerate its CEO bedding a young intern in his organisation. It is just sleazy.

    But 1999 was another matter - then the defence was that it was a "private affair", not affecting the performance of the President's constitutional duties. Indeed Clinton was not impeached for the affair, but for lying about it under oath, and the impeachment failed. The contrary argument was that the affair "spoke to his character", and his character was unworthy of a President.

    So the precedent established by Republicans then, and now by all, is that low sexual behaviour is unworthy of the Presidential office, and the office holder should resign.

    So why is Donald Trump still tolerated in office? Surely it is only a matter of time before he must step down?

    Stephen King ✔@StephenKing
    Trump on Franken: Pot discusses sins of the kettle.


    Trump’s Tweet Condemning Al Franken Assault Allegations Backfires Spectacularly
    Do you believe everything Trump says, or just the pussy grabbing stuff?
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    I would point out that Trump was revealed as telling the truth about what Comey said to him about not being personally under investigation. So maybe hes also telling the truth on the allegations against him.

    I would also point out that where adult relationships are concerned, that society is constantly redefining consent, and that what may have been considered consensual decades ago might not be now. Sweden in particular has redefined it in law. California has too, by introducing an "affirmative consent" law, requiring consent to be verbally given (which is a problem if you have lost your voice).
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    CORRECTION candidate’s spokesperson resigned.

    Ohio Supreme Court Justice, Democrat William O’Neill SPOKESPERSON resigns in his race for Governor of Ohio after boasting on social media that he bedded 50 women, while giving particular descriptions of 2 women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post

    So why is Donald Trump still tolerated in office? Surely it is only a matter of time before he must step down?
    The thing you have to remember is who President Trump was speaking to when he seems to have made those remarks, a junior member of the Bush family which was strongly opposing Trump even before the election, it's pretty clear Trump was winding the junior up, could see the way the young Bush was in thrall to his words, you'd have to be a saint to resist loading on the BS with such a punk squirming in awe at your outrageous claims, the person who comes off worst from the leaking of this Trump recording is of course young Bush, his one moment of fame and he tells the world he's not to be trusted, he sneakily records conversations, no one's ever going to trust him again, he'll be living off the family wealth for the rest of his days but he'll never make his own. For Trump it was of course a moment of weakness, manipulating a youngster like that for his own amusement, we've all done it to a lesser degree of course, and Trump surely regrets it now, but nobody should for a moment take it as given that what Trump was saying to titillate the junior Bush is an accurate tale of anything that actually happened
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    He'll only be under pressure about this stuff if he does it while being in office. He was elected with all of this all out in the open. It almost seems the people expect better behavior from hedonistic thespians than leaders of the free world now.
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