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    Quote Originally Posted by petaljam View Post
    Unfortunately I think there is a real danger that this will end up just being a political football for each side, and the actual victims will end up quite possibly worse off.
    It can happen but I think this could have a positive effect since it deflates 2 notions.

    The notion amongst Republicans that they are the Masters of a higher morality has taken a beating.

    The notion amongst Democrats that they are the Masters of a higher morality has taken a beating.

    Maybe people will be a bit more clued in after this.
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    Harvey Weinstein, Philip Roth, and Jewish Perverts – Tablet Magazine

    Tablet magazine is an American hard line Zionist Jewish journal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Mac View Post
    It can happen but I think this could have a positive effect since it deflates 2 notions.

    The notion amongst Republicans that they are the Masters of a higher morality has taken a beating.

    The notion amongst Democrats that they are the Masters of a higher morality has taken a beating.

    Maybe people will be a bit more clued in after this.
    Maybe blokes will cease and desist from making unwanted sexual advances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gracethepirate View Post
    Maybe blokes will cease and desist from making unwanted sexual advances.
    Unfortunately a number of posts on these threads indicate that that's not what a number of male posters are taking from this at all.
    There are, unsurprisingly perhaps, even posters generalizing from it about feminists, rather than about men, if they must generalize. Any opportunity to get the boot in was obviously too good to pass up though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Mac View Post
    Nor obviously as Democrats expected,
    I don't think the Dems ever said they were cleaning out a swamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petaljam View Post
    Unfortunately a number of posts on these threads indicate that that's not what a number of male posters are taking from this at all.
    There are, unsurprisingly perhaps, even posters generalizing from it about feminists, rather than about men, if they must generalize. Any opportunity to get the boot in was obviously too good to pass up though.
    Too often, the lesson will be not to be caught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Quirell View Post
    Too often, the lesson will be not to be caught.
    Blokes have to be retrained, Des
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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Quirell View Post
    Thank you for starting this.

    The republican have called for the ethics committee to be involved. This squares with their position on Moore.

    Let the process on Franken begin. If he is eventually unseated it would be interesting. He gained office after multiple recounts, so his loss would be huge. That's why I'd guess the GOP isn't demanding a resignation. They may want to see him brought down slowly by committee process in public while they preen their replacement.

    I'm not sure, by the way, that he actually has his hands on her breasts in that "joke" photo. That's not a defence of it, but rather a technical point. It's still grossly wrong.
    The recounts were in 2006, but in 2014 (not a good year for the Dems) he was easily reelected:-

    Nominee Al Franken Mike McFadden
    Party DFL Republican
    Popular vote 1,053,205 850,227
    Percentage 53.2% 42.9%

    Anyway, to be remotely consistent, the Dems must support whatever enquiries are instituted into Franken. The reality is that they must have as many skeletons in the closet as the GOP, after all it was Weinstein who started off this latest paroxysm, and then there's always been Bill Clinton hanging over them like the ghost of gropers past.

    As some other poster said, the whole issue may turn out to be politically neutral, as both parties turn it into a political football until it there's no more mileage in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gracethepirate View Post
    Blokes have to be retrained, Des
    I think Des is more likely to be correct, alas.
    I don't for an instant think that men (only some men of course, but always the same ones) will stop harassing women because of this.
    They'll just be a lot more careful, and pick the more vulnerable ones, the ones nobody will believe.
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