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    gracethepirate gracethepirate is offline
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    The Future of the Democratic Party

    It's been mentioned a few times on various threads that the Dems need to get good candidates and speakers to help them win the 2018 mid-term Congressional and the 2020 POTUS elections. There are already good congressional candidates but the Dems real problems are lack of national leadership and lack of effective policies.

    HRC is a has-been on a book tour and speaking at various events by invitation and tweeting about Don "Capone" Trump, but it is likely she will be fading away into retirement; maybe she'll keep some backroom involvement with the Dems and the DNC, helping other candidates to fundraise, etc. This is notwithstanding Donna Brazile's recent comments on DNC funding and control about which there are already some statements countering hers.

    Who is getting the national media attention? HRC and Donna (for the next week or so), with a few bits and pieces from Elizabeth Warren, plus Bernie Sanders following his own agenda (as usual, and not getting all that far). Nancy Pelosi, as the Dems' leader of the House of Representatives, has started some policy proposals and slogans, and is trying to keep the Rep Dems in check (eg insisting that it is far too early for a call for impeachment) but although she is doing a good job, Nancy Pelosi is 76 yo and is not considered to be presidential material.

    And there are serious financial problems. After Obama's win in 2012 the Dems were in debt and at one point did not have enough money to pay staff. They owed US$20 million. HRC paid this debt and also paid both state organisations and Federal candidates money from her fundraising. Bernie chose to pay nothing, keeping his donations for his own use, and so did Obama(!).

    Something is wrong with the Dems' administration.

    There is an excellent, in depth article from the New York Times by Robert Draper which discusses the Dems' problems:

    A Post-Obama Democratic Party in Search of Itself
    The 44th president left office as one of the most popular in American history. He also left behind a party struggling to find an identity and to reconnect with voters in time for the 2018 elections.

    The problems are such that I do not think the Dems will be able to get their act together in time for 2018 or even 2020. Miracles do occur though...

    What do you think?
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    There's also a very good article by Andrew O'Hehir in Salon magazine in which he talks about a 'Demo-catastrophe'. He has no hope that they will win back the House in 2018 and believes the 2016 defeat was about much more than Russia, fake news and poor black turnout, though they all contributed. He blames Obama for 'regally presiding' over the party's collapse at local and congressional level during his presidency, and Bill Clinton for selling out to Silicon Valley and Hollywood donors in the 1990's while forgetting about the white working-class.

    Here's a flavour (he really slams in the boot):-

    'The net result of all this has been highly anomalous, if not unique in political history: On one hand we have a party that nominally stands for principles and policies supported by a majority of the population, whose nominee has won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections. On the other we have a party that has lost close to 1,000 state legislature seats over the past decade and suffered historic wipeouts in the last two midterm elections, leaving it in a weaker position on Capitol Hill than at any time since the Great Depression. That party became so strapped for cash, not to mention so spiritually enervated, that it rented itself out to one of its presidential candidates while pretending to remain neutral with respect to that candidate’s campaign. Spoiler alert: Same party!'
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    [QUOTE=gracethepirate;11592130]It's been mentioned a few times on various threads that the Dems need to get good candidates and speakers to help them win the 2018 mid-term Congressional and the 2020 POTUS elections. There are already good congressional candidates but the Dems real problems are lack of national leadership and lack of effective policies.

    HRC is a has-been on a book tour and speaking at various events by invitation and tweeting about Don "Capone" Trump, but it is likely she will be fading away into retirement; maybe she'll keep some backroom involvement with the Dems and the DNC, helping other candidates to fundraise, etc. This is notwithstanding Donna Brazile's recent comments on DNC funding and control about which there are already some statements countering hers.

    Who is getting the national media attention? HRC and Donna (for the next week or so), with a few bits and pieces from Elizabeth Warren, plus Bernie Sanders following his own agenda (as usual, and not getting all that far). Nancy Pelosi, as the Dems' leader of the House of Representatives, has started some policy proposals and slogans, and is trying to keep the Rep Dems in check (eg insisting that it is far too early for a call for impeachment) but although she is doing a good job, Nancy Pelosi is 76 yo and is not considered to be presidential material.

    And there are serious financial problems. After Obama's win in 2012 the Dems were in debt and at one point did not have enough money to pay staff. They owed US$20 million. HRC paid this debt and also paid both state organisations and Federal candidates money from her fundraising. Bernie chose to pay nothing, keeping his donations for his own use, and so did Obama(!).

    Something is wrong with the Dems' administration.

    There is an excellent, in depth article from the New York Times by Robert Draper which discusses the Dems' problems:

    A Post-Obama Democratic Party in Search of Itself
    The 44th president left office as one of the most popular in American history. He also left behind a party struggling to find an identity — and to reconnect with voters in time for the 2018 elections.

    The problems are such that I do not think the Dems will be able to get their act together in time for 2018 or even 2020. Miracles do occur though...

    What do you think?



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    Quote Originally Posted by midlander12 View Post
    There's also a very good article by Andrew O'Hehir in Salon magazine in which he talks about a 'Demo-catastrophe'. He has no hope that they will win back the House in 2018 and believes the 2016 defeat was about much more than Russia, fake news and poor black turnout, though they all contributed. He blames Obama for 'regally presiding' over the party's collapse at local and congressional level during his presidency, and Bill Clinton for selling out to Silicon Valley and Hollywood donors in the 1990's while forgetting about the white working-class.

    Here's a flavour (he really slams in the boot):-

    'The net result of all this has been highly anomalous, if not unique in political history: On one hand we have a party that nominally stands for principles and policies supported by a majority of the population, whose nominee has won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections. On the other we have a party that has lost close to 1,000 state legislature seats over the past decade and suffered historic wipeouts in the last two midterm elections, leaving it in a weaker position on Capitol Hill than at any time since the Great Depression. That party became so strapped for cash, not to mention so spiritually enervated, that it rented itself out to one of its presidential candidates while pretending to remain neutral with respect to that candidate’s campaign. Spoiler alert: Same party!'
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    They need to start with fresh leadership in the House - Pelosi is utterly crap and useless
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    The new DNC chair sounds a bit wishy washy and hasn't done much yet, but I guess there's hope:

    Perez says DNC 'fell short' in 2016, vows increased transparency

    The use of the word "rigged" is unfortunate because it implies that the votes were affected. They were not, and HRC won the primaries by four million votes.

    However, increased transparency is important, if not vital

    Democratic National Committee chair Tom Perez said Sunday that the committee "fell short" in earning voters' trust during the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries and pledged to push measures that would increase transparency… [He] conceded that the organization had to make up ground in ensuring its constituents that the primary process was fair.

    Perez added that for future elections the DNC planned to take steps to boost transparency, including announcing te debate schedule for the candidates well in advance of the race itself. "The number one goal has to be fairness and transparency," he said.
    The Democratic National Committee chair, however, contested characterizations that the Democratic primary process was "rigged" in Clinton's favor, casting her nomination as a reflection of the will of the voters.
    "When I hear the word rigged, let's be very clear: Hillary Clinton won the Democratic primary by 4 million votes," he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by President Bartlet View Post
    They need to start with fresh leadership in the House - Pelosi is utterly crap and useless
    I don't think she has long to go, she's now 76. I hope she realises when the time is right she goes gracefully.

    On the other hand I don't mind older people staying on in the job for as long as they can - so long as they are capable. We should not kowtow to the burning desires of the younger, ambitious ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midlander12 View Post
    There's also a very good article by Andrew O'Hehir in Salon magazine in which he talks about a 'Demo-catastrophe'. He has no hope that they will win back the House in 2018 and believes the 2016 defeat was about much more than Russia, fake news and poor black turnout, though they all contributed. He blames Obama for 'regally presiding' over the party's collapse at local and congressional level during his presidency, and Bill Clinton for selling out to Silicon Valley and Hollywood donors in the 1990's while forgetting about the white working-class.

    Here's a flavour (he really slams in the boot):-

    'The net result of all this has been highly anomalous, if not unique in political history: On one hand we have a party that nominally stands for principles and policies supported by a majority of the population, whose nominee has won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections. On the other we have a party that has lost close to 1,000 state legislature seats over the past decade and suffered historic wipeouts in the last two midterm elections, leaving it in a weaker position on Capitol Hill than at any time since the Great Depression. That party became so strapped for cash, not to mention so spiritually enervated, that it rented itself out to one of its presidential candidates while pretending to remain neutral with respect to that candidate’s campaign. Spoiler alert: Same party!'
    This is very similar to what was written about Republicans 4 years ago - that they were totally beholden to corporate donors and dog-whistle racists, and had abandoned minorities, women and welfare recipients.

    There is an element of truth in both stories - what is common to both is abandonment of potential constituencies, and the corrosive effects of big funding needs for both parties.

    It is not all bad for Democrats - there is nothing that cannot be turned around, and Trump is far from having a lock on blue collar voters Republicans claim he has. He had won over the Base, but the Base alone will not put him back into the White House in 2020.

    But it will be a hard road back for Democrats, with no guarantees in 2016 or 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by President Bartlet View Post
    They need to start with fresh leadership in the House - Pelosi is utterly crap and useless
    Actually, she is not. She was a far more effective House Speaker than Boehner or Ryan. Her part in passing the Affordable Care Act and Obama's programme is second only to Obama himself.

    And to change to satisfy Republican hate-mongering would be a massive mistake.

    By the way, she re-took the House from the Republicans in 2006, when the pundits said it could not be done. And held it in 2008. The lady has form.

    That being said, it is time for a new generation of Democrats to start stepping up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gracethepirate View Post
    It's been mentioned a few times on various threads that the Dems need to get good candidates and speakers to help them win the 2018 mid-term Congressional and the 2020 POTUS elections. There are already good congressional candidates but the Dems real problems are lack of national leadership and lack of effective policies.

    HRC is a has-been on a book tour and speaking at various events by invitation and tweeting about Don "Capone" Trump, but it is likely she will be fading away into retirement; maybe she'll keep some backroom involvement with the Dems and the DNC, helping other candidates to fundraise, etc. This is notwithstanding Donna Brazile's recent comments on DNC funding and control about which there are already some statements countering hers.

    Who is getting the national media attention? HRC and Donna (for the next week or so), with a few bits and pieces from Elizabeth Warren, plus Bernie Sanders following his own agenda (as usual, and not getting all that far). Nancy Pelosi, as the Dems' leader of the House of Representatives, has started some policy proposals and slogans, and is trying to keep the Rep Dems in check (eg insisting that it is far too early for a call for impeachment) but although she is doing a good job, Nancy Pelosi is 76 yo and is not considered to be presidential material.

    And there are serious financial problems. After Obama's win in 2012 the Dems were in debt and at one point did not have enough money to pay staff. They owed US$20 million. HRC paid this debt and also paid both state organisations and Federal candidates money from her fundraising. Bernie chose to pay nothing, keeping his donations for his own use, and so did Obama(!).

    Something is wrong with the Dems' administration.

    There is an excellent, in depth article from the New York Times by Robert Draper which discusses the Dems' problems:

    A Post-Obama Democratic Party in Search of Itself
    The 44th president left office as one of the most popular in American history. He also left behind a party struggling to find an identity — and to reconnect with voters in time for the 2018 elections.

    The problems are such that I do not think the Dems will be able to get their act together in time for 2018 or even 2020. Miracles do occur though...

    What do you think?
    The Presidential election that elected an inexperienced, irresponsible, misogynistic male totalitarian when there was an experienced, competent female as an alternative is a defeat for women.

    Despite that obvious fact more than 50% of white American women voted for the inexperienced, irresponsible, misogynistic male totalitarian.

    That was pathetic and the women will pay for it for a long time to come.

    Democracy will also pay for it as totalitarianism is on the rise as the election of Trump shows.

    More than 50% of white women did this despite the fact that a competent and experienced woman was for the first time going for the most powerful political position in the world.

    The defeat of Hillary Clinton in the US presidential election is the most significant occurence in the women's lack of power issue for a long time.
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