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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    I don't agree with you, since the US still has Medicare and Medicaid even without Obamacare.

    I would remind you that the FG-Labour govt spent 4 years promising the Dutch model (essentially Obamacare), before saying it was not affordable and dropping it. Who are we to criticise?
    At least they did not follow it up by sabotaging what protection is already there for low income and middle-class families.

    Which is what Trump is doing, to the tune of your own cheerleading.
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    The tax reform passed by the Senate would abolish the individual mandate but not the business mandate.
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    Everything is going so well for Trump now.
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    Vox thinks Obamacare will survive, barely and almost wrecked/ sabotaged.

    But enough will survive to be salvaged.

    Obamacare will survive

    But Republicans seem to about to launch an assault on Medicare and Social Welfare - to cut a deficit exploding because of tax cuts to benefit corporations and the wealthy.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ocial-security

    In an election year, is this hara-kiri?
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Vox thinks Obamacare will survive, barely and almost wrecked/ sabotaged.

    But enough will survive to be salvaged.

    Obamacare will survive

    But Republicans seem to about to launch an assault on Medicare and Social Welfare - to cut a deficit exploding because of tax cuts to benefit corporations and the wealthy.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ocial-security

    In an election year, is this hara-kiri?
    Trump, tax cuts for the rich only, your medical insurance wiped out and now sweeping cuts to social welfare.
    Maybe when his white thrash base start dying of malnutrition or get thrown out of hospitals, the penny might finally drop with them.

    Short answer, yes the GOP are heading for a trouncing
    But many of them don't care, they, and their donors will be far wealthier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Walsh View Post
    Trump, tax cuts for the rich only, your medical insurance wiped out and now sweeping cuts to social welfare.
    Maybe when his white thrash base start dying of malnutrition or get thrown out of hospitals, the penny might finally drop with them.

    Short answer, yes the GOP are heading for a trouncing
    But many of them don't care, they, and their donors will be far wealthier
    Not true that the tax cuts are for the rich only. The individual income tax for someone on $9,525 to $38,700 will drop from 15% to 12% Here are the new tax bands:

    Rate
    Taxable Income Bracket
    10% 0 to $9,525
    12% $9,525 to $38,700
    22% $38,700 to $82,500
    24% $82,500 to $157,500
    32% $157,500 to $200,000
    35% $200,000 to $500,000
    37% $500,000 and up


    Here are the proposed rates for married couples who file jointly.

    Rate
    Taxable Income Bracket
    10% 0 to $19,050
    12% $19,050 to $77,400
    22% $77,400 to $165,000
    24% $165,000 to $315,000
    32% $315,000 to $400,000
    35% $400,000 to $600,000
    37% $600,000 and up

    The old tax brackets before the bill were:

    For comparison, here would be the 2018 brackets under current tax law, adjusted for inflation.

    Rate
    Taxable Income Bracket-Single
    10% 0 to $9,525
    15% $9,525 to $38,700
    25% $38,700 to $93,700
    28% $93,700 to $195,450
    33% $195,450 to $424,950
    35% $424,950 to $426,700
    39.60% $426,700 and up

    For married couples the old rates were:

    Taxable Income Bracket-Married Filing Jointly
    10% 0 to $19,050
    15% $19,050 to $77,400
    25% $77,400 to $156,150
    28% $156,150 to $237,950
    33% $237,950 to $424,950
    35% $424,950 to $480,050
    39.60%$480,050 and up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Not true that the tax cuts are for the rich only. Here are the new tax bands:

    Rate
    Taxable Income Bracket
    10% 0 to $9,525
    12% $9,525 to $38,700
    22% $38,700 to $82,500
    24% $82,500 to $157,500
    32% $157,500 to $200,000
    35% $200,000 to $500,000
    37% $500,000 and up


    Here are the proposed rates for married couples who file jointly.

    Rate
    Taxable Income Bracket
    10% 0 to $19,050
    12% $19,050 to $77,400
    22% $77,400 to $165,000
    24% $165,000 to $315,000
    32% $315,000 to $400,000
    35% $400,000 to $600,000
    37% $600,000 and up

    The old tax brackets before the bill were:

    For comparison, here would be the 2018 brackets under current tax law, adjusted for inflation.

    Rate
    Taxable Income Bracket-Single
    10% 0 to $9,525
    15% $9,525 to $38,700
    25% $38,700 to $93,700
    28% $93,700 to $195,450
    33% $195,450 to $424,950
    35% $424,950 to $426,700
    39.60% $426,700 and up
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...orm-republican

    He is pushing through a tax bill that is deeply unpopular and gutting Obamacare which is popular
    He himself is massively unpopular while GOP candidates in 2017 have been savaged in elections.

    Roll on the mid terms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Walsh View Post
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...orm-republican

    He is pushing through a tax bill that is deeply unpopular and gutting Obamacare which is popular
    He himself is massively unpopular while GOP candidates in 2017 have been savaged in elections.

    Roll on the mid terms
    One poll found that when people were told what was in the bill their opposition dropped to 51%, and that 60% supported the measure ending the individual mandate of Obamacare.

    The vast majority in polls also opposed the Reagan tax cuts at first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    One poll found that when people were told what was in the bill their opposition dropped to 51%, and that 60% supported the measure ending the individual mandate of Obamacare.

    The vast majority in polls also opposed the Reagan tax cuts at first.
    BS
    Where do you get this stuff Dame?
    Do you just type and hope no one bothers to check whether it is remotely accurate?

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ast-tax-hikes/

    The Reagan plan, though, was far more popular in 1981 than the current Republican plan is now. In a Gallup survey taken in the days after Reagan signed his tax cuts into law on Aug. 13, 1981, 51 percent of Americans were in favor of it. Just 26 percent of Americans were opposed.

    Tax cuts are meant to be popular Dame
    This one isn't, people have seen through it, yes there are a a few little goodies for the middle class, but it's still perceived as favoring the mega wealthy.
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