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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachcomber View Post
    If you get "insurance otherwise" you aren't losing insurance.

    I don't get your point.
    Yes but the CBO report doesnt take account of that. Its assuming people who are not forced to take out insurance won't do so, and then including them as "losing insurance". Kindof disingenuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    I think the GOP need to rejig the tax credits plan so its fairer to low income groups. Many Deep Red States like Arkansas and Mississsippi have a Republican voter base that is working class.

    In fairness the idea of 24 million "losing" insurance is a bit misleading given the CBO are assuming that not being required to take out Obamacare will mean you will decide not to get insured otherwise. The CBO also previously overestimated the numbers who would gain coverage under Obamacare by 16 million people.
    Instead of that huge tax cut to the top 1% the money could have gone somewhat to address the issue you raised. Obamacare protected lower and middle income families as the subsidies ensured that Healthcare costs maxed out at 9% of income - that safety net is now gone with the flat tax credits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    So will Trump be able to deliver on plan to "repeal and replace" Obamacare?

    A journo asked Spicer today why (as she put it), Senator Cotton (Arkansas) was being given a blessing to criticise the House Bill. Spicer sortof skirted the issue, saying they were talking to Cotton.

    Meanwhile, Breitbart has just released an October tape of Ryan saying he wouldnt defend then candidate Trump. So is the WH using healthcare as a ruse to punish Ryan for last year?

    One third of US counties have just one health insurer, and premiums have risen 22% a year since Obamacare on average. This undermines the promise Obamacare would reduce premiums. There are also reports Trump is threatening to support primary challengers to conservative GOP rebels who dont support the Bill. Spicer has declined to comment on those rumours when asked just now.
    Which illustrates the economic illiteracy of Obamacare, when you force joe public to buy stuff then the price of stuff goes up due to the artificial demand. It is long overdue to prioritise the honest squeezed middle who pay their taxes at source and stop smoke and mirrors tax avoidance and put the boot into the welfare bums and drug dealing scum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalyp View Post
    Instead of that huge tax cut to the top 1% the money could have gone somewhat to address the issue you raised. Obamacare protected lower and middle income families as the subsidies ensured that Healthcare costs maxed out at 9% of income - that safety net is now gone with the flat tax credits.
    On the positive side though, young people will get cheaper premiums from this. Older people not so according to CNN or another liberal channel/newspaper i read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpurs View Post
    Which illustrates the economic illiteracy of Obamacare, when you force joe public to buy stuff then the price of stuff goes up due to the artificial demand. It is long overdue to prioritise the honest squeezed middle who pay their taxes at source and stop smoke and mirrors tax avoidance and put the boot into the welfare bums and drug dealing scum.
    Are you suggesting that insurance is a scarce commodity - as for the welfare bums - what about the average 30k/year kickback to those earning over 700k - how do you justify that one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    On the positive side though, young people will get cheaper premiums from this. Older people not so according to CNN or another liberal channel/newspaper i read.
    Liberal source or not the multiplier for older people has gone form a maximum of 3 times that of a younger person to 5 times, so premiums are likely to go up for them
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    Poll shows voters uncertain about Republican healthcare proposal | TheHill

    .......Almost half of voters in a new poll support the new GOP healthcare proposal, but they cite provisions of ObamaCare that carried over as the aspects of the bill they like best.

    This results of the Politico/Morning Consult poll released Wednesday morning underscore the complexity of the current healthcare debate. While Americans say they are open to the Republican replacement plan, there is also a lingering fear that repealing and replacing ObamaCare will hurt the coverage, cost and quality of health insurance.

    While 46 percent of voters approve of GOP’s Affordable Health Care Act (AHCA), 35 percent of voters disapprove and 19 percent of voters have no opinion of the plan.......
    Taken before CBO report though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Don't underestimate the ability of turkeys to vote for Christmas, especialy if its dressed up as "freedom". i cannot find anything in this plan that addresses the issue of affordable healthcare. The only winners are the very wealthy with large tax cuts, the mid to upper middle class ( families on over 100k) who will qualify for some subsidy and finally those who wish not to buy any insurance which strains the whole sytem. Hopefully the ability to cross state lines might inject some competition to reduce prices in the longterm.
    Bigger issue of course is the lobby power of insurance companies - my preferred approach would be an extension of medicare to all offering a basic level of healthcare and let private insurance cover the fluff.
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    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...onal_31517.pdf

    Absolute sh*tshow for Trump and Ryan
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    Wall Street Journal backs GOP health plan - thehill.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Walsh View Post
    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...onal_31517.pdf

    Absolute sh*tshow for Trump and Ryan
    Also shows a very even split on the travel ban 48-45.
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