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    The GOP are in real danger of over extending themselves on this issue. They are like the dog that caught up with the car, what does it do now? They have to do something but repeal and replace is just not feasible. As former Speaker John Boehnor said, they will probably just tinker with a few bits of it and call it repeal and replace.

    Democrats paid a huge price for over extending themselves on the issue and the GOP may end up repeating their mistakes.

    The angry town halls (for the GOP politicians) should serve as a harbinger.
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    The Democrats though seem determined to mess up again.

    What idiot came up with the "Make America Sick Again" slogan? and what idiot would want to be photographed standing by a sign with that slogan?

    Pelosi seems intent on using it but the saner members of her party seeing to be shying away from it.
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    I think the GOP need to rejig the tax credits plan so its fairer to low income groups. Many Deep Red States like Arkansas and Mississsippi have a Republican voter base that is working class.

    In fairness the idea of 24 million "losing" insurance is a bit misleading given the CBO are assuming that not being required to take out Obamacare will mean you will decide not to get insured otherwise. The CBO also previously overestimated the numbers who would gain coverage under Obamacare by 16 million people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCKY View Post
    The Democrats though seem determined to mess up again.

    What idiot came up with the "Make America Sick Again" slogan? and what idiot would want to be photographed standing by a sign with that slogan?

    Pelosi seems intent on using it but the saner members of her party seeing to be shying away from it.
    The Dems need to get shot of Nancy and fast - really weak - should be all over the Republicons and she has not got a clue
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    Moderate Republicons have been spooked by the CBO report - heres hoping it crashes and burns on the nasty party!
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    Vulnerable GOP Rep opposed in current form. She was re-elected with 55% last year:


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    "I plan to vote NO on the current #AHCA bill. As written the plan leaves too many from my #SoFla district uninsured (1/2)

    As #AHCA stands, it will cut much needed help for #SoFla's poor + elderly populations. Need a plan that will do more to protect them (2/2)"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscurito View Post
    *bump*

    We need a new Obamacare/ACA thread. I (for one) am struggling to find out what's different about Trump's new proposals.

    Also, if the main problem with Obamacare/ACA was lack of competition, then how will the new proposals resolve that?

    One supposedly large change is that consumers of health insurance policies would have more choice. Obamacare didn't allow out-of-state insurance companies to provide insurance within a state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Vulnerable GOP Rep opposed in current form. She was re-elected with 55% last year:


    Ileana Ros-Lehtinen‏Verified account
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    "I plan to vote NO on the current #AHCA bill. As written the plan leaves too many from my #SoFla district uninsured (1/2)

    As #AHCA stands, it will cut much needed help for #SoFla's poor + elderly populations. Need a plan that will do more to protect them (2/2)"
    Why do you think the Trump bill is so bad?

    Is it because he is simply tinkering with Omabacare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    I think the GOP need to rejig the tax credits plan so its fairer to low income groups. Many Deep Red States like Arkansas and Mississsippi have a Republican voter base that is working class.

    In fairness the idea of 24 million "losing" insurance is a bit misleading given the CBO are assuming that not being required to take out Obamacare will mean you will decide not to get insured otherwise. The CBO also previously overestimated the numbers who would gain coverage under Obamacare by 16 million people.

    If you get "insurance otherwise" you aren't losing insurance.

    I don't get your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCKY View Post
    The GOP are in real danger of over extending themselves on this issue. They are like the dog that caught up with the car, what does it do now? They have to do something but repeal and replace is just not feasible. As former Speaker John Boehnor said, they will probably just tinker with a few bits of it and call it repeal and replace.

    Democrats paid a huge price for over extending themselves on the issue and the GOP may end up repeating their mistakes.

    The angry town halls (for the GOP politicians) should serve as a harbinger.

    What did the Republican town halls reflect though?

    Was it ordinary real Republican voters demanding that Trump shouldn't mess up what (some) people gained via Obamacare? Or was it Trump supporters just ranting and raving at establishment Republicans - Trump supporters who just swallow anything that Trump says and don't think about the consequences?
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