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    Arizona passed law which allows business discriminate against gay people!

    Arizona passes 'anti-gay' bill allowing business owners to refuse service on religious grounds

    The state of Arizona has passed a controversial bill that would allow business owners to refuse service to gay and lesbian customers on religious grounds.

    The bill, which the state House of Representatives passed by a 33-27 vote Thursday, will now go to Republican . She is expected to make a decision as to whether she will sign the bill next week.

    Ms Brewer does not comment on pending legislation, but she vetoed a similar measure last year. It is not clear whether she will support or reject this plan.

    Those who support the bill argue it protects First Amendment rights for expressing religious beliefs. But Democrats have said the law would clearly allow for discrimination against gays.
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    he bill is backed by the Center for Arizona Policy, a social conservative group that opposes abortion and gay marriage. "We see a growing hostility toward religion," said Josh Kredit, legal counsel for the group.

    Opponents have raised scenarios during heated debates in which gay people in Arizona could be denied service at a restaurant or refused medical treatment if a business owner thought homosexuality was not in accordance with his religion.
    Source: Arizona passes 'anti-gay' bill allowing business owners to refuse service on religious grounds - Americas - World - The Independent



    My Comments:
    1) This is a hateful law aimed directly at the gay community (which legislators all but admitted so on the house floor during the debate), the religious grounds angle is nothing but a very poor pretext to cover this truth!. Basically its Jim crow laws for gay people!

    2) The right wing anti gay nuts tried this in several other states and they all failed there because of the public outcry and discriminatory nature

    3) Unfortunately Governor Jan Brewer is also an anti gay nut so she will probably sign

    4) Happily thought the chances of it surviving a lawsuit is near nill, due to obviously discriminatory bill and it will be challenged in the Ninth Federal Circuit which has already ruled that gay people are in a Quasi-suspect class thus anti gay laws need a much higher standard of evidence to show it is necessary!

    5) Yet again Arizona (or at least it legislators) has given it self a black eye publicly (after refusing to allow a Martin Luther King Day some years ago & the whole Anti-immigration law which like the other i mentioned will damage Arizona's economy

    6) It is also opposed by the business community who fear the same kind of damaging boycott of Arizona which happened after they refusing to allow a Martin Luther King Day
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    Just aging politicians making a point with a law they know cannot stand.

    So you realise giving them the attention is precisely what they're after !
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    Arizona Uganda... I'm sure there would be plenty in Arizona offended by a comparison with Uganda.

    But they appear to be attempting to draw the comparison themselves.
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    And yet the gay lobby focuses on Russia.
    There are 8 states in the USA that have the same laws as Russia regarding gay propaganda in primary schools.
    Has anyone heard this mentioned by Obama, msm, or any posters on p.ie.

    Kansas has also legalised discrimination of gays.
    Discrimination of gays is illegal in all states of Russia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth.ie View Post
    And yet the gay lobby focuses on Russia.
    There are 8 states in the USA that have the same laws as Russia regarding gay propaganda in primary schools.
    Has anyone heard this mentioned by Obama, msm, or any posters on p.ie.

    Kansas has also legalised discrimination of gays.
    Discrimination of gays is illegal in all states of Russia
    1) Russia is a separate matter, worthy of protect and action as are these laws!

    2) Yes some states still have hateful laws but little by little those laws are being challenged, in people hearts, in the state legislators and in the courts, and there looseing more and more!

    3) The Kansas law did not pass, it pass the state house but not the state senate and is now dead as a doornail!
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    An Arizona pizzeria is serving legislators a slice of humble pie.

    Rocco’s Little Chicago Pizzeria in Tucson had a message for the politicians who supported a bill that allows business owners to refuse to serve gays and lesbians.

    nydailynews - Arizona pizzeria’s amazing response to state’s anti-gay bill



    Btw: i should say that the bill passed on a party line vote (as it did in the senate) and the democrats in the house did a great job of decrying this law!!
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    The Republican Party in Arizona has been taken over by lunatics. They will make the party unelectable nationwide in any Presidential election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USER1234 View Post
    1) Russia is a separate matter, worthy of protect and action as are these laws!

    2) Yes some states still have hateful laws but little by little those laws are being challenged, in people hearts, in the state legislators and in the courts, and there looseing more and more!

    3) The Kansas law did not pass, it pass the state house but not the state senate and is now dead as a doornail!
    The Kansas law passed the House of Representatives overwhelmingly.
    That's not just a surly group of old men.
    My point is that everybody is calling for a boycott of Russia, which has more or less the same legislation as Ireland (better in some aspects), but nobody mentions a boycott of the u.s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth.ie View Post
    The Kansas law passed the House of Representatives overwhelmingly.
    That's not just a surly group of old men.
    Actually the republicans have a super majority in the Kansas House so there not much the democrats could do there!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Truth.ie View Post
    My point is that everybody is calling for a boycott of Russia, which has more or less the same legislation as Ireland (better in some aspects), but nobody mentions a boycott of the u.s.
    The law in Russia are way way more repressive than those here or in the U.S.

    And a boycott of the U.S. is unnecessary as on the federal level gay rights laws are advancing on a steady level and on a state level it may take longer but things are moving the right way!

    Quote Originally Posted by devoutcapitalist View Post
    The Republican Party in Arizona has been taken over by lunatics. They will make the party unelectable nationwide in any Presidential election.
    Yep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by USER1234 View Post
    the whole Anti-immigration law which like the other i mentioned will damage Arizona's economy

    6) It is also opposed by the business community who fear the same kind of damaging boycott of Arizona which
    I agree the gay law is silly, but the anti-immigration law was entirely sensible. You only need to look at the disastrous economic impact of low skill immigration on California's state's finances to see that low skill immigration from Mexico is a catastrophe.

    Essentially you end up with similar educational outcomes to those in Mexico & the results are a huge decline in long term productivity.
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