Obama's Gamble - Has he just lost Catholic America?

[Garland Names the Skies]

Like Romney who plenty of Democrats, including Irish and Italian Americans voted for as Governor as Massachusetts.

When the voice of sanity in your camp is the guy who thinks the Garden of Eden was in Missouri you know the GOP have decided to hold out for 2016 before they get serious

[toxic avenger]

I find it curious that this issue might be a dealbreaker for them and not the tax money that goes to putting people on death row. Or is it only the lives of fetuses that are of significance

They oppose that too, or a majority do. But this is different - this is ordering them to act themselves in defiance of their own conscience - to directly fund cover for acts they find abhorrent - or else stop providing services.

What I don't understand is why do this and why now? Hasn't the arrangement worked okay as it is up to now? Why legislate and force this situation?

[Garland Names the Skies]

logic does not always go down that well , in the us back woods

Nor does it anywhere. But in reality these elections are decided for all the griping on two things. Economy and War and how many dollars to the gallon. These little phony wars are just that

[stringjack]

I find it curious that this issue might be a dealbreaker for them and not the tax money that goes to putting people on death row.

Are employees of Jehovah's Witnesses to be denied health insurance cover which includes blood transfusions?

[toxic avenger]

Are employees of Jehovah's Witnesses to be denied health insurance cover which includes blood transfusions?

Should Jehovah's Witnesses be forced to violate their own conscience by funding cover for it or else shut down in business altogether?

[gracethepirate]

Obama has always been protestant if he is religious at all - maybe he attended chapel just for political reasons. He certainly left it for political reasons, and has wandered around various protestant sects since. Afaik he has never set foot in a catholic church, except perhaps at catholic funerals he has to attend.

Yes, he has made a gamble, and this may be the one which will cause enough people to vote for Romney. There are other reasons for voting for Romney - particularly his abilities with his own and government money. However, the employment rate has just gone up, so maybe Romney will not have such a hold on economic matters come election time if the economy and the job scene keeps improving.

There are a lot of factors involved, and forcing religious people to act against their beliefs is a big one of them. If I lived in the USA I'd be a Democrat but come the election I'd be seriously thinking of voting for Mitt (though I'd vote Democrat for the local rep and senator). It's such a pity he's a Republican, the most appalling political party I know of (sometimes bordering on evil, with lies and some of its political activity).

I'd jot down pros/cons for both presidential candidates in November.

[toxic avenger]

Obama has always been protestant if he is religious at all - maybe he attended chapel just for political reasons. He certainly left it for political reasons, and has wandered around various protestant sects since. Afaik he has never set foot in a catholic church, except perhaps at catholic funerals he has to attend.

I think he's essentially a secular liberal who went through the motions to advance his political career.

[Garland Names the Skies]

Are employees of Jehovah's Witnesses to be denied health insurance cover which includes blood transfusions?

Not at all.

[irish_bob]

Obama has always been protestant if he is religious at all - maybe he attended chapel just for political reasons. He certainly left it for political reasons, and has wandered around various protestant sects since. Afaik he has never set foot in a catholic church, except perhaps at catholic funerals he has to attend.

Yes, he has made a gamble, and this may be the one which will cause enough people to vote for Romney. There are other reasons for voting for Romney - particularly his abilities with his own and government money. However, the employment rate has just gone up, so maybe Romney will not have such a hold on economic matters come election time if the economy and the job scene keeps improving.

There are a lot of factors involved, and forcing religious people to act against their beliefs is a big one of them. If I lived in the USA I'd be a Democrat but come the election I'd be seriously thinking of voting for Mitt (though I'd vote Democrat for the local rep and senator). It's such a pity he's a Republican, the most appalling political party I know of (sometimes bordering on evil, with lies and some of its political activity).

I'd jot down pros/cons for both presidential candidates in November.

what does it matter if obama is a protestant , all american presidents have been protestant with the exception of kennedy , we are talking specifically about hard right evangelical protestants

ive nothing much against romney btw , i dont imagine he would be much different to obama bar his threat to row back obama care which from what i hear is full of half measures anyhow

[gracethepirate]

what does it matter if obama is a protestant , all american presidents have been protestant with the exception of kennedy , we are talking specifically about hard right evangelical protestants

ive nothing much against romney btw , i dont imagine he would be much different to obama bar his threat to row back obama care which from what i hear is full of half measures anyhow

It does matter in that he would be fairly indifferent to catholic beliefs.
I understand that Romney did a better job for universal health care in Massachusetts when he was governor there. Ironic, really.