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Thread: Obama's Gamble - Has he just lost Catholic America?

  1. 10th February 2012, 03:11 AM #131
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    I'm starting to like Mr Obama even more.......

    I reckon he's hit base with more ordinary joe soap americans than the likes of Romney will ever do....
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  3. 10th February 2012, 03:15 AM #132
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    What exactly is preventing these institutions from simply telling their employees:

    "Our coverage provides for contraceptives, but we urge you not to use them."?
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  4. 10th February 2012, 03:20 AM #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    From the article:

    That has to be one of the silliest things I've ever read.

    And I read a lot of p.ie threads.
    Totally, this is silly indeed, "secular jihad", give me a break.

    That said, I do think for reasons I have stated that Obama may end up caving on this one.

    His opponents will set it out as, not a "contraception issue" but rather a "freedom of religion issue", ie an attack on all religions.
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  5. 10th February 2012, 06:30 PM #134
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    Looks like Obama has caved in:
    BBC News - Obama compromise amid Catholic contraception anger
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  6. 10th February 2012, 06:40 PM #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCKY View Post
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    His opponents will set it out as, not a "contraception issue" but rather a "freedom of religion issue", ie an attack on all religions...
    Which of course it is, and he can't win that one.
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  7. 10th February 2012, 06:56 PM #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfReason View Post
    Which of course it is, and he can't win that one.
    Freedom of religion is not necessarily infringed upon by employers providing their employees with the means to do things which are contrary to the teachings of the religion.
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  8. 10th February 2012, 09:47 PM #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCKY View Post
    Totally, this is silly indeed, "secular jihad", give me a break.

    That said, I do think for reasons I have stated that Obama may end up caving on this one.

    His opponents will set it out as, not a "contraception issue" but rather a "freedom of religion issue", ie an attack on all religions.
    ...And Obama wins...

    Obama riled up Republicans on contraception, and then delivers a knock-out punch.
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    Obama changes contraception rules in face of religious backlash | World news | guardian.co.uk
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  10. 10th February 2012, 09:59 PM #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaelach View Post
    ...And Obama wins...

    Obama riled up Republicans on contraception, and then delivers a knock-out punch.
    That's if you believe that he was really being that clever. And if he was, then I wouldn't be so sure that it has worked - it could have just pissed off Catholic Democrats and others who believe it an attack on religious liberty, then pissed off the liberal feminist wing too. Plus the backtracking makes him look weak...
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  11. 10th February 2012, 10:04 PM #140
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    Freedom of religion is not necessarily infringed upon by employers providing their employees with the means to do things which are contrary to the teachings of the religion.
    In your opinion. But will voters in the USA of all religions (and none) be inclined to agree. I don't think so. Lots of people (guess 30%) would think the federal government should not be telling any employer what their insurance plans should provide. Add in a very real concern about religious freedoms and your are a short hop skip and jump from 50+% of voters.
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