I agree with this, the whole thing is getting to be quiet a spectacle. Quiet who well end up running with the No1 pick is still anyone's guess though. Personally I am thinking who ever gets the nod from the republicans well be the one keeping as clean a sheet as possible as for Obama with the democrats you never know, he might bail out after one term although I suspect he well hold on go on to take the second term.Originally Posted by Hooch
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Romney will do fine. Obama has passed lots of laws, and it means nothing, just a sea of red ink, and more Goldman Sachs billionaires.
What gave it away? The fact that he's had a re-election campaign running for several months? The fact that it's less than two months until any potential challenger would have to show their cards in a primary?
So no - you do know. Obama is the Dem candidate.
Romney is the nightmare for the Democrats because he wins independents and he wins places like Ohio and Michigan - and possibly Mass. Any of the other Republicans loses independents in droves. And even with Romney, there is the possibility of the Republicans being so divided that a third candidate emerges splitting the vote.
My bet is that Romney does a McCain and nominates a tea party VP candidate, and thus hurts any chance of winning moderate votes. But I do think he is their only viable nominee. (I actually think Huntsman would be pretty viable but his support is so low as to be non-existant).
I think a lot of people just don't see Romney as being particularly conservative when it comes to the big issues of debt, taxation, and universal health insurance. Time will tell but right now I just see him as being much the same as Obama if he is elected to office. In order to win you have to differentiate yourself from the other candidate, Romney's record in politics would suggest he wouldn't be very different.
The one thing he would have in his favour if he got to run is that the US economy is in such bad shape, think FF in Ireland, people like to give their politicians a kicking when the money isn't flowing.
"If we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy." - Thomas Jefferson
Romney can not be happy. He knows that if he can't win before the Convention then he is a no hoper. Paul knows that if nobody else wins before the Convention, he has it in the bag
Huntsman... bless us father for we have eeemmmm stuck for a no2. But non the less fair play if Huntsman gets the nod. That is as long as we are talking about Jon and not some one else.
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Romney is probably the only GOP candidate who could win, and that says something about how bad their list of candidates is. Obama is going into this race as the weakest sitting president in decades. A half-decent GOP candidate should be able to win easily. But instead they have serial adulturers, compulsive liars, brain-dead muppets, fools and fringe nuts running. But even Romney would make heavy weather of the race. Obama truly is blessed with his enemies, while the GOP are cursed with its friends.
Obama the other day said Hawaii, whee he claims to have been born, was in Asia. Does that mean there are actually 58 States.
Gary Johnson is another example, agreed. But I stand by that statement about it being a poor election strategy precisely because we're discussing a primary here, namely the GOP party picking its POTUS candidate. IMO, such voters don't get a free pass from being informed and tactical in picking who they want to represent them as their GOP candidate and then try to sell that candidate to the national audience in a general election. To the extent voters do not, then that makes the voter silly instead rather than the statement. There is a reasonable limit to what one will tolerate in strategy so the point of seeing one's ideas put into practice is not thrown to the wind but such voters have to be reasonable in turn. A hard right voter should be honest that a hard right candidate increases the chances of losing. Voters who select a candidate who they like on agreed platform stances but with serious integrity problems increases that same chance.
I also don't buy the media being the cause. They'll report on anyone the GOP voters put in serious contention. They're not reporting on Huntsman or Johnson because the GOP voters are indicating they aren't serious contenders. They're focusing on those the GOP voters are saying are the serious ones in their polling, and to the extent those candidates are flawed, that's going to get coverage too.
The point for a primary is to pick a candidate to sell. It's selling a product, and if the product has some aspects of sh*t, then the media and rest of the public can start to smell it. Instead of then showing how good the candidate is, that puts the GOP in the position of trying to spray paint sh*t gold and/or spray deodorant around it. There will always be some level of polishing of weaknesses, but if the person is a really sh*tty candidate, then no amount of spray paint and canisters will hide the fact that the candidate is sh*t and will be adjudged so come the general election.
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Agree with this, but the issue is not just being blessed with his direct enemies in the sense of having rubbish candidates. He (and the Democrats) are blessed that everything is against the GOP long term.Originally Posted by Socratus O' Pericles
Romney Skips Iowa Family Forum as Emanuel Rallies Democrats - Businessweek
Romney is odds on favourite to get the Republican nomination.
If and when he suceeds in becomingg the candidate he will be a serious threat to Obama and could well win the race.
Rahm Emanuel is worried:
This shows how real a threat the Dems. see him as and how worried they are about their own man as unemployment contiues to rise
Romney is probably the only GOP candidate who could win, and that says something about how bad their list of candidates is. Obama is going into this race as the weakest sitting president in decades. A half-decent GOP candidate should be able to win easily. But instead they have serial adulturers, compulsive liars, brain-dead muppets, fools and fringe nuts running. But even Romney would make heavy weather of the race. Obama truly is blessed with his enemies, while the GOP are cursed with its friends.
(a)They have no one who can unite the far right and the moderate wings of the parties. If they choose someone electable (like Romney) the right wing will either force him into picking a wing-nut VP (surrendering his electability) or will run a third party candidate (surrendering his electability). If they choose someone who will get the backing of the Tea Partiers, the moderates in the party won't throw their dummies out but they are more likely to stay at home. Also staying at home, or switching sides, will be independents. So either way, the particular ideological division within the GOP is likely to leave them without an electable candidate.
(b) They are on the wrong side of demographics. They are losing the hispanic vote because of people like Brewer in Arizona. The anti-immigration zealots are losing hispanics and once lost, they won't be easy to recover from the Democrats.
You also have to remember that Obama might be unpopular but he has an unparalelled machine and a year in which to recover. Anyone who thinks that he will conduct his fourth year like his first three is insane. Ordinarily, a good machine and a change of tack would not be enough with someone with his level of unfavourables, and the GOP should be able to walk it. But even now, before any scrutiny of where the GOP (or rather specific candidates) stand in terms of real policy compared to Obama, before any of the trawling through their private lives and mud-slinging which Obama went through four years ago - right now when they should be thumping him massively before the next year reduces their lead, instead not one of them (even the uber-electable Romney) is beating Obama consistently in the polls. In fact, Obama is consistently beating all of them except Romney.
Having all of your candidates except one being comprehensively beaten in the polls by a very unpopular President when you're still in the soundbites and sunshine stage of the campaign is an awful GOP performance.
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