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pedophiles go where they can get access and control, no one sensible would confuse the wolves in sheep's clothing with the genuine articles, be they priests, teachers, scout masters or whatever.
However the institutions and their managers are guilty if they cover up, don't report, move the perpetrator, downplay the crime and generally add to the abuse or enable more.
The catholic church has done all these things and is rightly attacked and called to account, if the Boy scouts have done the same then they will get the same.
I don't understand how discovering more of the same elsewhere is supposed to let the church leaders off the hook. All guilty parties should be prosecuted. I am sure the institutions will get on without them
Cira/rira Not in my name.
Cover ups like this in any organisation are inexcusable. Generally if there is wrong best policy is to address it.
What also worries me is a wider issue, of men generally not being willing to assist in organising youth groups, scouts, football teams and similar because there is a climate developing where they could be open to damage through inference or false accusation. That is a secondary reason why such matters need to be promptly addressed. It is getting to a stage where all men are not trusted with children and in particular young girls.
Underlines the necessity for screening of recruits to organisations with responsibility for children. One parallel to the Church abuse scandals is the gender-segregation combined with responsibility for children. There should be a National ID card that organisations linked with children should be required to use to verify the absence of a criminal-record on the part of the would-be adult recruit to such organisations. Would-be recruits should be required to produce their ID cards which could then be swiped to verify the absence of a criminal-record by the would-be recruit.
1) This is a dreadful scandal. The reason I am only commenting on it now is that this is the first time I have come across the story. Like the church the real institutional scandal here is the covering up and further enabling of the rape, torture, and abuse of children. Those responsible by deed or omission should now be punished. Sad to say it will probably signal the decline of the Scouting movement. A great pity, as unlike the various churches, the Scouts serve a useful purpose.Originally Posted by Horses
2) The Scouts have never set themselves up as moral authorities or sought to exercise such authority over vast numbers of people.
3) This concerns the Scouting movement in a foreign country; the church abuses happened much closer to home.
4) Don't equate humanist with atheist. Not all atheists are humanists - I'm not.
"Je n'ai pas besoin de cette hypothèse." - Pierre-Simon de Laplace to Napoleon Bonaparte.
FT
This is all very well in theory, but who is going to bother to volunteer to take the village children on an outing if they have to be screened. You could for example have a record of some activity as a youth and be of absolutely no threat to children. You may not want everyone else in the village to know you were a young socialist activist in your youth. ID cards and Poice monitoriing is another can of worms.
Philip Pullman was refusing to talk to school children because of a new scanning process that was required and which he would have to pay for in order to give up his time freely to talk to school children about being an author. Not sure how that was eventually resolved, but is an indication of poorly thought out measures.
Also many potential offenders may not have any previous conviction so scans won't detect them.
A few years ago in the UK there was a case where a young child walked out of a kindergarten and drowned in a pond in a neighbour's garden. At the inquest a van driver gave evidence that he had seen the child wandering but was afraid to stop and intervene in case he was accused of child abuse. The interesting thing was that no-one blamed the guy. Everyone understood what might have happened if the carer had gone looking for the child and found her in the custody of the van driver. All she had to do was start screaming blue murder, claim he was a kidnapper and her own gross negligence would be covered up!
In Ireland every teacher, doctor, nurse, social worker etc has to take special precautions to avoid becoming the target of a false allegation. This means, for example, that if a child is being abused at home and wants to confide privately in a teacher, he cannot do so. The regulations require that another person be present in order to protect the teacher against a false allegation. Can you imagine what impact this will have on the young person, who will probably be able to work out what is happening and why?
This $18.5 million award is ludicrous. The main impact will be to persuade normal adults that it is too dangerous to volunteer as a scout leader. (Remember that the USA is the home of Satanic Ritual Abuse AND Recovered Memory Syndrome. This is just another facet of the same underlying hysteria that has been on the go since the 1980s.)
doesn't suprise me in the least, afterall, boy scouts is a christian organisation and their methods of screening involve refusing to accept openly gay scoutmasters. When you have an organisation that takes child protection as a secondary concern to reputation, then you have an issue.
The left want to ride children.
You are a fool.
I think the situation re child abuse can be summarised as follows:
(1) Child sex abuse has existed since time began and probably will exist until the end of time. While I'm no expert, from what I read, it seems to be an illness, one which affects men more than women, but which is probably constant in its incidence over all races, creeds and non-creeds. While I believe that men are more prone to be abusers than women, I don't actually think that homosexuals are more prone to be abusers than heterosexuals. However, homosexuals do find it easier to obtain opportunites for indulging in abuse. For example, nobody would dream of putting a heterosexual man in charge of a dormitory full of 14-year-old girls in a boarding school, but would, at least until recently, have thought nothing of putting a homosexual man in charge of a dormitory full of 14-year-old boys in a boarding school, because it probably would not have occurred to them that he was homosexual.
(2) The sickos who suffer from this illness are disproportionately attracted to jobs that involve contact with children (clergy, teachers, social workers, scout leaders, sports instructors). So, for example, the reason there are more child abusers among swimming coaches than among journalists isn't because teaching children to swim is an inherently more evil activity than journalism, but because the sickos are more likely to be attracted to careers as swimming coaches than to careers as journalists. Similarily, organisations which have traditionally engaged in charitable activities, frequently for virtually no remuneration, such as running orphanages or running shelters for young homeless (remember, its only in recent decades that the state became involved in such charitable activities), will have attracted a disproportionate number of the sickos to their ranks, although still very small as a proportion of their total numbers.
(3) Until recently, virtually all organisations, whether religious or lay, failed to treat the problem seriously enough and failed to do enough to purge their ranks of abusers. It should be noted, however, that primary responsibility for purging society of these sickos lies with the civil authorities. Religious or lay organisations, who may have abusers among their ranks, have no powers of arrest or imprisonment. Only the civil authorities can do this and, until recently, even when fully informed of the activities of the sickos, the punishments were very light (usually fines or suspended sentences).
(4) While, as stated in (4), the historical record of virtually all organisations, whether religious or lay, in dealing with this problem is totally inadequate, in recent decades religious organisations have been far more active in introducing measures to combat and eradicate the problem within their ranks. Thus the number of allegations of current child abuse (as distinct from allegations about abuse half a century ago) against Catholic clergy has fallen continuously in recent decades, and last year was at an all-time low, allegations of child abuse against teachers in the US public school system are soaring, largely because teachers' unions in the US have fought tooth and nail against similar measures being introduced in the US public school system.
Catholic League: For Religious and Civil Rights
(5) The level of media attention given to abusers is not related to the seriousness of or the frequency of the abuse, but is related to the media's political/social agenda. So, the media basically don't care one whit if a lay teacher, a scout leader or a swimming coach sexually abuses a child. Its just dirty old men doing what dirty old men have done since the beginning of time. Not newsworthy. But, if a clergyman does it, it receives massive attention because that advances the media's agenda for furthering the cause of secularism and social liberalism. This is especially true if the clergyman belongs to the Catholic Church, as the Catholic Church has been the most staunch in its opposition to abortion and the trivialisation of the institution of marriage. So, when a Church of England clergyman engages in abuse, while the media will express mild disapproval, there will be no witchhunt as the Church of England has more or less caved in to the secularists and social liberals on these matters.
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