Will the House Impeach Obama

[Oreo Livermore]

Another youngdan prediction - from the poster who predicted that Ron Paul was going to easy win the presidency.

Yes, I am predicting Obama does not have the votes


You I take it predicts he does. I hope your prediction is as good as when you assured everyone that Hillary and Rudy were the nominees

We will see Sunday

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[flamez911]

Honestly it would be a great thing for the world if the far-right in America instigated another civil war by "nullifying" the bill, but it has no consequence- I don't think that Oreo Livermore understands what the "deem" procedure means-

effectively, there are two bills- one bill passed under regular (3/5 vote) procedure in the Senate, but not by the house, and one bill to be passed under reconciliation (majority vote) procedure in the Senate, but not passed by either house yet.

The second bill amends the first bill, but it would not normally be possible to do so as there is no statute to amend, as such the second bill amends a "ghost law" which does not as yet exist. Once the Senate passes the second bill, the President can then sign the first bill, and the second bill will have something to amend- he can then sign the second bill and the process will be completed.

the "deem" procedure has absolutely nothing to do with the president stating that a law has passed, it has to do with allowing something which has not become law yet to amend something which has also not become law yet. It's complicated, but it certainly seems to have a good legal foundation.

[Oreo Livermore]

A brief run through the US constitution should be enough to show the above is less than clear about it and perhaps a little disturbed. Oh I can't be bothered to run over to my bookcase but seem to remember only one third of the senate being elected in each election year and that the rules for impeaching a president are for high crimes and so on. Not losing a vote then, which he probably won't. But keep up the hill billy stuff. That and a Palin run in 2012 + a few mad tea party people should give Obama enough time to try and fix some of the damage the Republican Oligarchs did over the last thirty years.

There are many things amiss in your post Upper Chamber but lets just point out the one pertinant to the article in the Washington Times.

Obama would not be impeached for losing a vote, he would be impeached for using the process of DEEMING the bill passed without a vote

Comprende


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[Oreo Livermore]

The Illinois one or the Federal one? He said he has no problem with the latter but that the former went further, lacking a neutrality cause on the issue of abortion. I for one disagree with his stance on abortion, but that doesn't make him a supporter of post-birth infanticide (particularly when doctors are already legally compelled to protect the lives of children born alive).

But back to you. What exactly is it about the Lord of the Flies that made it such an attractive template for you?...

Where is Rock to prevent this trolling and thread derailing


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[Oreo Livermore]

Honestly it would be a great thing for the world if the far-right in America instigated another civil war by "nullifying" the bill, but it has no consequence- I don't think that Oreo Livermore understands what the "deem" procedure means-

effectively, there are two bills- one bill passed under regular (3/5 vote) procedure in the Senate, but not by the house, and one bill to be passed under reconciliation (majority vote) procedure in the Senate, but not passed by either house yet.

The second bill amends the first bill, but it would not normally be possible to do so as there is no statute to amend, as such the second bill amends a "ghost law" which does not as yet exist. Once the Senate passes the second bill, the President can then sign the first bill, and the second bill will have something to amend- he can then sign the second bill and the process will be completed.

the "deem" procedure has absolutely nothing to do with the president stating that a law has passed, it has to do with allowing something which has not become law yet to amend something which has also not become law yet. It's complicated, but it certainly seems to have a good legal foundation.

Go away you idiot. the senate bill was passed fair and square with a filibust proof 60 votes.

No bill has been passed by reconciliation.

Do not speak on something you know nothing about

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[toxic avenger]

Where is Rock to prevent this trolling and thread derailing

I heard he couldn't afford the health insurance. He's not dead, but it's only a matter of time...

[Oreo Livermore]

I heard he couldn't afford the health insurance. He's not dead, but it's only a matter of time...

He is in jail then, thats what happens if you refuse to buy health insurance and have a job.



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[McDave]

Godwin strikes again - then I refuse to take anyone around here seriously who feels the need to use the word "fascist" - its most overused,misunderstood, misued and abused world in the english language around this place.

Agreed. It's not even a free speech issue. Straight in the bin with other Godwinesque garbage like F****h R***h! Such juvenile attention-seeking should immediately be yellow carded for idiocy and timewasting.

[hiding behind a poster]

Where is Rock to prevent this trolling and thread derailing

Well one of Rock's other roles as a mod is to prevent abusive namecalling in posts - so I wouldn't look too hard for him if I were you.

[trekkypj]

Really, I have to say that the whole thing is a nonsense.

I've never seen such hysteria about a single issue. If this is what it was like under McCarthyism, then I worry about the future of the US.

The health bill is flawed, sure, but many claims are being bandied about, from federal monies funding abortion, to claims that the country will become a fascist/commie haven. Such views are not only misleading, but are feeding into a frenzy of personal Obama bashing which are ill-informed and frankly unworthy of a society which espouses tolerance and freedom of expression.

This suspicion of 'BIG government' is why the US is struggling right now - the two parties (and especially Republicans of late) take advantage of and feed these suspicions. They spend more time trying to block laws on ideological grounds rather than work together to actually create jobs and wealth in their economy.

The US is becoming paralysed, many people are becoming radicalised against the Federal government with the emergence of the Tea Party movement and other fringe groups. I believe that if something doesn't change, the result will be economic stagnation and a growing disconnection with the country, not to mention civil unrest between a polarized population.

I hate to say it but it wouldn't surprise me if someone took a pot shot at Obama. And the irony is that he's actually doing a decent job, he's just not popular right now because the liberals say he's not reforming fast enough and the far right are condemning him for the reforms that he is pushing. And certain media outlets disseminating lies and propaganda on both sides are feeding into this.

Why on earth should Obama be impeached? He's doing his job. He hasn't acted contrary to the laws of the country. It's nonsense to suggest it.