Predict the Health Care Vote

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The democrats say they have the votes and it is a done deal. However the bishops have come out against it at the very last moment. Lets see these Catholic congressrats vote against it now and get kicked out of the church as well as Congress.


"For decades,” the letter says, “the United States Catholic bishops have supported universal health care. The Catholic Church teaches that health care is a basic human right, essential for human life and dignity.
Our community of faith,” the bishops continue, “provides health care to millions, purchases health care for tens of thousands and addresses the failings of our health care system in our parishes, emergency rooms and shelters. This is why we as bishops continue to insist that health care reform which truly protects the life, dignity, consciences and health of all is a moral imperative and an urgent national priority.”

Nevertheless, they add, “we are convinced that the Senate legislation now presented to the House of Representatives on a ‘take it or leave it’ basis sadly fails this test and ought to be opposed.”


U.S. Bishops’ final plea to Congressmen: Do not pass pro-abortion health care bill :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)



This "Hail Mary Pass" will be read out at every Mass tomorrow. The Stupak turncoats can no longer talk out of both sides of their mouths now

Keep spinning, Dan. The vote will pass.

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215-220 against. The Blue-Dogs know this is absolutely toxic to their conservative base. Even if it goes through, it won't be the original Senate bill, meaning another Senate vote will be scheduled and with Blue-Dogs like Lincoln, Nelson, Landrieu and Bayh unlikely to vote in favour, they will have to resort to Reconciliation and this may be disallowed by the Parliamentarian of the Senate on technical-grounds unless VP Biden steps in to over-rule a refusal (which Fox said some time ago he has the power to do as President of the Senate).

And there's the conclusive proof. FutureTaoiseach says 215-220 against, thus the Bill is CERTAIN to pass. After all, this is the guy who predicted 8 seats for the PDs in 2007, "seatless growth for FG" when they actually won 20 seats, Lisbon 2 to be defeated, and McCain to beat Obama.

[Oreo Livermore]

215-220 against. The Blue-Dogs know this is absolutely toxic to their conservative base. Even if it goes through, it won't be the original Senate bill, meaning another Senate vote will be scheduled and with Blue-Dogs like Lincoln, Nelson, Landrieu and Bayh unlikely to vote in favour, they will have to resort to Reconciliation and this may be disallowed by the Parliamentarian of the Senate on technical-grounds unless VP Biden steps in to over-rule a refusal (which Fox said some time ago he has the power to do as President of the Senate).

Good job FT you dug up a few dead lads to be on the safe side. There are 431 available to vote.

Dig up Fat Ted and everything would be honky dorey.


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[FutureTaoiseach]

Good job FT you dug up a few dead lads to be on the safe side. There are 431 available to vote.

Dig up Fat Ted and everything would be honky dorey.


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Edited: 218-213 against.

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Why do people want this passed? Do they not know what this is about?

If Obama wanted a law passed that made it mandatory for people to kill their first born, will they be praying for it to go through congress and the senate as well?

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Edited: 218-213 against.

An easy error FT. Congressman Massa, the eejit, only resigned last week and John Murtha died the week before. I am not sure myself where the other two are gone. They got sweat jobs I think.

Your prediction is noted, thank you



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[FutureTaoiseach]

And there's the conclusive proof. FutureTaoiseach says 215-220 against, thus the Bill is CERTAIN to pass. After all, this is the guy who predicted 8 seats for the PDs in 2007, "seatless growth for FG" when they actually won 20 seats, Lisbon 2 to be defeated, and McCain to beat Obama.

And the Lisbon I no vote. I am right this time.

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And the Lisbon I no vote. I am right this time.

I always think the funniest thing about your wrongness is that you're always so utterly convinced about it.

[owedtojoy]

A member of theDemocrat's Whips Office has told CNN they have 216 (the minimum number needed), but she would not (or could not) say which 216 they were.

If this passes it is as much an achievement of the fifrst woman Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, as of the first black President. The Majority Leader of the Senate, Henry Reid, is likely to lose his seat this November, so it was an act of great courage for him to persist with "unpopular" legislation, though it is much less unpopular than Pox News makes it out to be.

It is hard to call the vote because Pelosi, as soon as she is sure she has enough votes, may release some Congressmen from their pledges, if they have difficult elections in November.

Other news was that the Stupak holdouts over abortion were on the verge of a deal with the White House, which would bring in enough votes to put healthcare reform over the top. Disgracefully, the Catholic Church would prefer a regime which condoned torture, illegal wars and massive financial fraud to one that dissented from its views on reproductive rights.

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I still believe that it will not pass. I expect that democrats in what were safe seats before Obama came along are now sweating. Massachusetts is a perfect example. The 10 House representatives say how Obama lost Ted Kennedy's seat so what chance have they. Maybe Lynch and Capuano will come to their senses and save themselves. Seven others are so stupid that they are on the USS Barak Titanic. The tenth has already announced that he is not seeking reelection


My Prediction. Obama Loses.

Lets hear from the self professed experts

Not looking too good, eh Dan?

BBC News - Democrats 'have votes on health'