Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 31 to 40 of 40

Thread: Ex-CIA man blames CIA for JFK death

  1. #31
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    200

    Quote Originally Posted by President Bartlet View Post
    Yet another conspiracy theory - just accept we will never fully know the truth.
    Why exactly , should we accept that ?
    [SIZE="3"]"The Key To Joy Is Disobedience"[/SIZE]

  2. #32
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    320

    Errr...

    Quote Originally Posted by PigPus the Truthteller View Post
    I guess Ted did not care about national security one bit. Otherwise he would not have written these letters to the Soviet politburo and commited high treason.

    Ted Kennedy: Collaborator or Soviet agent?

    The only Kennedy that deserved to get shot didn't.
    Please understand that I am no fan of the Kennedys but what you cited really isn't evidence. Compare:

    Paris Peace Accords

    Tipped off in advance by Henry Kissinger[22] of the bombing halt and the possible peace deal, and fearing this 'October surprise' might cost them the election, the Richard Nixon campaign [23][24] “set out to sabotage the Paris peace negotiations on Vietnam.[25] (…) [Via Anna Chennault] [26] they privately assured the South Vietnamese military rulers that an incoming Republican regime would offer them a better deal than would a Democratic one. [27][28][29][30][31][32] (…) The tactic "worked", in that the South Vietnamese junta withdrew from the talks on the eve of the election, thereby destroying the peace initiative on which the Democrats had based their campaign.” [33] Before the elections President Johnson “suspected (…) Richard Nixon, of political sabotage[34] that he called treason”.[35] No investigations ensued, and no one was prosecuted.[36][37][38]

    United States presidential election, 1968 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

  3. #33
    Politics.ie Member PigPus the Truthteller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    299

    Sonny, you are talking to the truthteller OK.

    I am talking about 1980 and you are talking about 1968. I will link the material for your reading later on

  4. #34
    Politics.ie Regular southwestkerry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    some place cosy
    Posts
    2,362

    Just figured its worth it to say that J.F.K. was not the only high ranking political figure to be assassinated over the years to which their is not satisfying answer for so may be we can bear it in mind that JFK had plenty enemies whiles others never saw it coming and no one can say the Kennedy family did not see it coming.
    Advances in any field are built upon people with the small or personal view. Give Israel Your support, it needs it.

  5. #35
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    320

    OK

    Quote Originally Posted by PigPus the Truthteller View Post
    Sonny, you are talking to the truthteller OK. I am talking about 1980 and you are talking about 1968. I will link the material for your reading later on
    OK, seeing is believing.

  6. #36
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    320

    Well yes but...

    Quote Originally Posted by southwestkerry View Post
    Just figured its worth it to say that J.F.K. was not the only high ranking political figure to be assassinated over the years to which their is not satisfying answer for so may be we can bear it in mind that JFK had plenty enemies whiles others never saw it coming and no one can say the Kennedy family did not see it coming.
    Well yes but I don't know if anyone in the Kennedy family foresaw the assassination of JFK.

    Of course hindsight is 20/20.

  7. #37
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    134

    I find very interesting the enormous internal political stresses caused by Empires retreating or switching from an imperial approach to a peaceful approach. Consider the seditious threats faced by:

    1. Germany 1919-1933. One of the reasons for Hitler's advance to power was the refusal of the German administrative, military and judicial classes to accept democratic rule and restrictions on the military.
    2. France, August 1962. De Gaulle survives an OAS assasination attempt. They are angry at him for withdrawing from Algeria.
    3. Harold Wilson's government 1974-76. MI5 distrusted Wilson (remember, he kept Britain out of Vietnam when Australia went on in) and went so far as to forge Swiss bank account statements in the name of his deputy, Ted Short.
    4. Moscow, August 1991. KGB elements attempted a coup against Gorbachev. Today those elements form the nucleus of the Putin regime and are dedicated to restoring Russia's "greatness". Chechnya is Russia's Cuba only there is no Russian Kennedy and the imperialists won the internal battle.

    It is alsolutely clear that it is a political challenge of the highest order to successfully switch from militarism / imperialism to peacefulness. This was a big source of the problem for the UK in Ireland - consider the Curragh Mutiny in 1912 and footdragging by the British military in recent years.

    Whatever the detailed facts of the JFK case (which bewilder me), there can be little doubt but that his policies would have been regarded as deeply disturbing to those of a militaristic / imperialist hue. At a minimum, such elements might have welcomed his death. At a maximum, they might well have procured it.

  8. #38
    Politics.ie Member PigPus the Truthteller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    299

    This is an article from Forbes from last August discussing what it politely refers to the Kennedy Gambit. It discusses a memorandum unearthed by The London Times reporter Tim Sebasten written by the head of the KGB to Andropov when the files became briefly available after the Soviet breakup. Sebasten reported it in The Times in 1992.

    TED KENNEDY Soviet Gambit


    This goes into the plot in more details and gives the english translation of the memo sent to Andropov

    Letter Details Kennedy Offer To USSR | Sweetness & Light


    This is the 2006 book by Paul Kengor in which the origonal Russian memo is printed

    Amazon.com: The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism (9780061136900): Paul Kengor: Books



    While Reagan was trying to take a hard line to defeat communism Kennedy committed treason by conspiring with the enemy. Despite Kennedy the US were able to bankrupt the Soviet Union and free the Soviet client states. Kennedy of course should at the very least have been shot. Tunney who admitted to bringing the secret letters to Moscow should have had the same fate.

    It was not for nothing that Kennedy was the most hated man in America

  9. #39
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    738

    Acoustics from the police radio recordings, show that more than 3 were fired.
    Kennedy was not hit in the neck no matter how people want to spin it. It entered the 3rd thorassic vertebrae (between the shoulder blades) and exited the throat. according to Kennedy's physician written on the death cert. That would mean the 1st shot went upwards not downwards. People try to say Kennedy was leaning forward or was a hunchback. He had a bad back, but was not hunched at the time of the shot. And ALL 11 doctors at Parkland hospital who received Kennedy said JFK had a hole in the back of his head with the bullet entry in the right temple.
    The autopsy photographs and the autopsy report (try googling them) clearly show that the first bullet that struck entered the back of the neck to the right of the spine and exited the base of the windpipe. The bullet came from the right rear above and behind the President and the trajectory was downward and to the left.

    The second bullet struck Kennedy when he was sagging slowly forward and to the left.
    It hit the back of the skull and exited the top front right of the head creating a huge fatal wound as is clearly evident in the autopsy photos, X-rays and Zapruder film.

    The ER doctors at Parkland never turned JFK's body over and we unaware of the entry wound in the back of the neck nor the entry wound in the back of the head. JFK's head was covered in blood, with flaps of scalp hanging lose and a large portion of brain extruding from the jagged skull.

    It would have been impossible for them to have determined accurately the full extent of his wounds.

    The autopsy doctors did a thorough examination of his body and their testimony has more authority.

    So what. What framer couldn't do that?
    The spent hulls were found by Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney who was one of a team of detectives who searched the Book Depository 6th floor immedately after the shooting. The cartridge cases were compared with test cartridges fired from Oswald's rifle and were proven to be a match.

    So where did the fragments of bullet found in Connallys leg and wrist come from? The magical bullet with no deformity? Also the bullet was found on Kennedys stretcher not Connallys -according to the guy in Parkland hospital who found it.
    The fragments in Connally's leg and wrist were tiny fragments.
    The "magic bullet" was flattened in cross section and was damaged slightly on the nose and it had shed fragments during its passage through JFK and Connally.
    The hospital orderly who found the bullet passed it to a Secret Service agent on JFK's detail who passed it to the FBI. They ballistically matched the bullet to Oswald's rifle.
    For that bullet to be a plant the conspiracists must have had incredible foresight to know that the hospital orderly would notice the bullet on the stretcher.

    Wow from which shot did those fragments come from? The 1st shot hit the road. The 2nd was the magic bullet with no blemishs therefore no fragmentation. The 3rd hit Kennedys head?
    It is likely the fragments came from the bullet that struck JFK in the head.

    Taken from the morgue when Oswald was dead. Initial tests showed the rifle to be clean.
    Lt. Day of the Dallas PD lifted the palm print from the rifle in the crime lab.

    JFK was shot at 12.30. At 12.45 the police radios were looking for a man 5'10 and 165 pounds (exactly Oswalds CIA records) Tippit was shot at 1.16pm. The people on Dealy Plaza were all saying shots from the picket fence.
    Witnesses at the scene gave a description of the suspect to the police who broadcasted it on the radio net. Oswald fitted the description which is why Officer Tippit stopped him.
    There is evidence Oswald was ever connected to the CIA.
    The majority of witnesses heard three shots from the Texas School Book Depository.
    No physical evidence exists that indicates that there was a shooter on the grassy knoll.

    Oswad was an FBI agent who knew the assassination was going to take place. The cartrige cases were matched to Oswalds gun as opposed to being matched to the bullets recovered from Tippits body.
    Witnesses saw Oswald dumping the cases from the gun at the scene and the cases were recovered by police. The same type of .38 ammo was found in his jacket pockets when he was arrested.

    No, he did not try to murder anyone in the CINEMA. He struck out and resisted arrest but did not lift his gun.
    Oswald drew his gun and it misfired because an arresting police officer blocked the hammer with the web of skin between his thumb and index finger.

    Oswald was never able to testify in court to defend himself. While in police custody he denied he shot anyone.
    So what if he denied it? Criminals always deny their guilt.

    He was never able to testify, becuase he was killed while in police custody by a man who was an informant working for Richard Nixon.
    There is no evidence whatsoever linking Ruby to Nixon.
    Only two minutes before the shooting Ruby was wiring money to a stripper from a Western Union office across the street.
    If he was hand picked why was he in no rush to get into position to kill Oswald?
    Why would conspirators allow Ruby to be arrested with the risk he would rat them out?
    Ruby died years later in prison from cancer.

  10. #40
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    320

    Errr...

    Tipperary Man said: "There is no evidence whatsoever linking Ruby to Nixon."

    Then what is this all about:


    This FBI-document of 1947 recommends that "one Jack Rubenstein of Chicago" should not be called to testify for the Committee on Unamerican Activities, for he is working for Congressman Richard M. Nixon. According to the Warren Commission, Ruby had no connections with Oswald, Organized Crime or the Government. No wonder the header reads "This is sensitive".

    JFK MURDER SOLVED - Reward

Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234

Similar Threads

  1. Bertie blames Mahon
    By stanley in forum Tribunals
    Replies: 89
    Last Post: 8th March 2009, 08:38 AM
  2. Schroeder blames ‘gambler’ Saakashvili for conflict
    By politicsisrotten in forum Foreign Affairs
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 18th August 2008, 12:33 PM
  3. Adams blames DUP for stormont crisis
    By derry_ff in forum Northern Ireland
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 25th July 2008, 02:24 PM
  4. MP blames inbreeding for diabetes
    By S.Down in forum Current Affairs
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 11th August 2006, 12:04 PM
  5. Man U failures: Keane blames team-mates......again!
    By BarryW in forum Current Affairs
    Replies: 70
    Last Post: 8th December 2005, 04:30 AM