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    Quote Originally Posted by Half Nelson View Post
    RT?

    Really?

    Of course, do you have anything that would contradict what RT has released or is this more unfounded Russophobia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Degeneration X View Post
    Of course, do you have anything that would contradict what RT has released or is this more unfounded Russophobia?
    Is that how it works?

    As it's RT, I'd say the onus is on you to provide corroboration.

    Well?
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    The United States was founded by the scum of England in rebellion against how London was trying to tell them not to butcher the actual natives, fears about the abolition and anger as well as wild conspiracies over the Quebec Act which granted Religious Liberty to Catholics outright in HMG's North American colonies. This rebellion led by the scumbag George Washington was heavily inspired by Oliver Cromwell and his carry on at home. So in a way the US is British- many of few best people in the USA still consider themselves British ( H.P. Lovecraft is an example).

    However the whole "Special Relationship" lark is a Post-WWII phenomena motivated by the UK Ruling Elite wanting to hold to illusions about being a Great Power. Enoch Powell saw through this and what is more understood that the founding myth of the USA centred around hatred of Britain in a way that certain Unionists imagine about the ROI which is well isn't true at all. A lot of people remember him principally for his opposition to mass immigration but actually his opposition to NATO, the Cold War and so-called "Special Relationship" principally defined his political career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    Borrowing from De Gaulle.
    Here's something close from Henry Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston:

    I hold with respect to alliances, that England is a Power sufficiently strong, sufficiently powerful, to steer her own course, and not to tie herself as an unnecessary appendage to the policy of any other Government. I hold that the real policy of England—apart from questions which involve her own particular interests, political or commercial—is to be the champion of justice and right; pursuing that course with moderation and prudence, not becoming the Quixote of the world, but giving the weight of her moral sanction and support wherever she thinks that justice is, and wherever she thinks that wrong has been done...I say that it is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow... And if I might be allowed to express in one sentence the principle which I think ought to guide an English Minister, I would adopt the expression of Canning, and say that with every British Minister the interests of England ought to be the shibboleth of his policy.
    Speech to the House of Commons (1 March 1848).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Half Nelson View Post
    Is that how it works?

    As it's RT, I'd say the onus is on you to provide corroboration.

    Well?
    No the story is well sourced despite your McCarthyite paranoia.
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    The UK has never been anything other than a poodle of the USA, a one sided relationship which the UK has clung to, to make it look relevant in the modern world.
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    Be all that as it may, I'm fully sure if N. Korea holes Guam with an ICBM while Trump is President and May PM, the first person Trump will pick up the phone to after a call to his business manager to verify he has no casinos or hotels on Guam, will be Theresa May.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Half Nelson View Post
    Is that how it works?

    As it's RT, I'd say the onus is on you to provide corroboration.

    Well?
    Worth reading-

    Why Obama is Good for England - Taki's Magazine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
    Be all that as it may, I'm fully sure if N. Korea holes Guam with an ICBM while Trump is President and May PM, the first person Trump will pick up the phone to after a call to his business manager to verify he has no casinos or hotels on Guam, will be Theresa May.
    You don't think he'd talk to the Joint Chiefs and the Governor of Guam first? Also the PM of Japan and the President and PM of the Republic Of Korea would be contacted long before May in case of a conflict in the Pacific. To say nothing of the leaders of China and Russia.
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