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    Quote Originally Posted by jams odonnell View Post
    A descendant of another proud Connaught man, Sir Dickie Bingham.
    Never mind, it's a small cross to carry - I'm a direct descendant of John Elias - the founder of the Welsh Calvanistic Church - the dominant religious denomination of the country for two centuries & a movement that has led us up a cultural cul de sac which has resulted in stagnation & subservience & which may yet destroy the nation.

    Still, I was brought up Catholic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jams odonnell View Post
    He was of Connaught.
    No, you have to be Irish to be of Connacht. He was a planted mercenary, a voyager, a murderer, a land grabber, a criminal and an Englishman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Se0samh View Post
    Being governor? doesn't make him a Connaught() or maybe it does wherever that is...... but if you mean the guy who helped burn Edinburgh.............well that's even more embarrassing.........
    He brought Peace, Justice, and the Rule of Law to the West of Ireland.

    Stronger Together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runwiththewind View Post
    No, you have to be Irish to be of Connacht. He was a planted mercenary, a voyager, a murderer, a land grabber, a criminal and an Englishman.
    Nut other than that he was sound enough, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cai View Post
    Never mind, it's a small cross to carry - I'm a direct descendant of John Elias - the founder of the Welsh Calvanistic Church - the dominant religious denomination of the country for two centuries & a movement that has led us up a cultural cul de sac which has resulted in stagnation & subservience & which may yet destroy the nation.

    Still, I was brought up Catholic.
    Cai, what do you mean 'led you up us up a cultural cul de sac'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cai View Post
    Never mind, it's a small cross to carry - I'm a direct descendant of John Elias - the founder of the Welsh Calvanistic Church - the dominant religious denomination of the country for two centuries & a movement that has led us up a cultural cul de sac which has resulted in stagnation & subservience & which may yet destroy the nation.

    Still, I was brought up Catholic
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    My condolences, have you thought of excommunication................or if that's too much, there's always lapsing......
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    Quote Originally Posted by jams odonnell View Post
    He brought Peace, Justice, and the Rule of Law to the West of Ireland.

    Stronger Together.
    You forgot to mention his preference for small boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runwiththewind View Post
    No, you have to be Irish to be of Connacht. He was a planted mercenary, a voyager, a murderer, a land grabber, a criminal and an Englishman.
    We must return to the past to create a better future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by runwiththewind View Post
    Cai, what do you mean 'led you up us up a cultural cul de sac'?
    Long story & it's late - or at least in the time zone I'm currently at.

    Calvinism has at it's heart a concept of pre destination - & by implication that you can't really improve your current standing. This mindset has damaged us immensely as a country & as a Welsh speaking society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cai View Post
    Long story & it's late - or at least in the time zone I'm currently at.

    Calvinism has at it's heart a concept of pre destination - & by implication that you can't really improve your current standing. This mindset has damaged us immensely.
    Remember reading a story called the sin eater a long time ago and thinking........wouldn't confession and/or the last rites be much easier..........
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