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    Comrade Fintan O'Toole puffs his chest as the Guardian throw him a bone to write about Brexit

    The Guardianistas are terrified of losing their cover from Europe ...the smoked salmon socialists are appalled that the UK may now be subject to a work ethic other than the French work dodging one

    So they roll out their tame poodle, Fintan O'Toole, giving him a bone of being at their bully pulpit ...and he delivers in spades...subtly equating the English Nationalists with terrorists

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sh-nationalism
    Recklessly, casually, with barely a thought, English nationalists have planted a bomb under the settlement that brought peace to Northern Ireland and close cordiality to relations between Britain and Ireland. To do this seriously and soberly would have been bad. To do it so carelessly, with nothing more than a pat on the head and
    ...When they take power, the Brexiters have a moral duty to think deeply and speak honestly about these effects of their victory. But the signs are that they will pay as much attention to them as gung-ho warriors typically give to any other kind of collateral damage.
    Comrade Fintan has never had to do real work in his life, and lives for the sense of smugness that the Guardian allows him ...his claims about the Northern Ireland peace process are vastly over stated, though not entirely without merit

    That an assistant Editor of the Irish Times is proud to write such a hatchet job in a nakedly partisan UK paper is instructive - fact is the Irish Times itself aspires to be the smoked salmon socialist protector of privilege in Ireland - and has no interest in maintaining the impartiality that the only supposedly quality newspaper of a small country should strive towards

    They might as well be in bed with French intelligence ...or sorry...

    cYp
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    You don't like Fintan, do you, cYp?

    Nor do I very much, but I think your "criticism" of him is mostly just abuse:

    A few examples:
    "puffs chest"
    "smoked salmon socialist" X2
    "tame poodle"
    "never had to do real work in his life"
    "hatchet job"
    "protector of privilege"

    And hardly a single reference to the content of the article. The one quote made from it doesn't seem unreasonable. And the rest of the article seems pretty fair overall. There's certainly nothing in the OP to justify its empty vehemence.

    As for the howling about a lack of impartiality: it's, ahem, an opinion piece.

    Zoo.
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    Fintan still doesn't get it.
    It was working class, Old Labour voters who swung it for Brexit.
    They are the ones who were most affected by the EU and who saw their surroundings changed beyond recognition, their wages cut, and their identity suppressed.
    To call all Brexiters "English Nationalists" is the kind of lazy guff you'd gloss over had you seen it in a post on P.ie
    These people are still detached from reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth.ie View Post
    Fintan still doesn't get it.
    It was working class, Old Labour voters who swung it for Brexit.
    They are the ones who were most affected by the EU and who saw their surroundings changed beyond recognition, their wages cut, and their identity suppressed.
    To call all Brexiters "English Nationalists" is the kind of lazy guff you'd gloss over had you seen it in a post on P.ie
    These people are still detached from reality.
    Where did Fintan call all Brexiters "English Nationalists"? Read carefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    You don't like Fintan, do you, cYp?

    Nor do I very much, but I think your "criticism" of him is mostly just abuse:

    A few examples:
    "puffs chest"
    "smoked salmon socialist" X2
    "tame poodle"
    "never had to do real work in his life"
    "hatchet job"
    "protector of privilege"

    And hardly a single reference to the content of the article. The one quote made from it doesn't seem unreasonable. And the rest of the article seems pretty fair overall. There's certainly nothing in the OP to justify its empty vehemence.

    As for the howling about a lack of impartiality: it's, ahem, an opinion piece.

    Zoo.
    its nothing but a load of scare mongering, presumptive, drivel .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    You don't like Fintan, do you, cYp?

    Nor do I very much, but I think your "criticism" of him is mostly just abuse:

    A few examples:
    "puffs chest"
    "smoked salmon socialist" X2
    "tame poodle"
    "never had to do real work in his life"
    "hatchet job"
    "protector of privilege"

    And hardly a single reference to the content of the article. The one quote made from it doesn't seem unreasonable. And the rest of the article seems pretty fair overall. There's certainly nothing in the OP to justify its empty vehemence.

    As for the howling about a lack of impartiality: it's, ahem, an opinion piece.

    Zoo.
    The issue is that an Assistant Editor of the Irish Times is subtly conflating the Brexit leave voters with Nationalists and terrorists

    Fintan has significant form as a work dodger, enjoying a privileged lifestyle - and also he is known to fawn over the Guardian, as is Kevin O'Sullivan

    Fintan proves useful to the Guardian, as their tame Irishman ...who can relied upon to take potshots, un/justified at the Guardian's foes

    cYp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fractional Reserve View Post
    its nothing but a load of scare mongering, presumptive, drivel .
    Where are your issues with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    The issue is that an Assistant Editor of the Irish Times is subtly conflating the Brexit leave voters with Nationalists and terrorists

    Fintan has significant form as a work dodger, enjoying a privileged lifestyle - and also he is known to fawn over the Guardian, as is Kevin O'Sullivan

    Fintan proves useful to the Guardian, as their tame Irishman ...who can relied upon to take potshots, un/justified at the Guardian's foes

    cYp
    The motor of Brexit is English nationalism. In that,O'Toole is quite right.

    The rest of your post is, again, just abusive nonsense.
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    Is smoked salmon as valuable as it used to be? A smoked salmon socialist is a fairly cost-sensitive sort of chap these days now that the product is farmed. It's a rather antique insult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    The Guardianistas are terrified of losing their cover from Europe ...the smoked salmon socialists are appalled that the UK may now be subject to a work ethic other than the French work dodging one

    So they roll out their tame poodle, Fintan O'Toole, giving him a bone of being at their bully pulpit ...and he delivers in spades...subtly equating the English Nationalists with terrorists

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sh-nationalism


    Comrade Fintan has never had to do real work in his life, and lives for the sense of smugness that the Guardian allows him ...his claims about the Northern Ireland peace process are vastly over stated, though not entirely without merit

    That an assistant Editor of the Irish Times is proud to write such a hatchet job in a nakedly partisan UK paper is instructive - fact is the Irish Times itself aspires to be the smoked salmon socialist protector of privilege in Ireland - and has no interest in maintaining the impartiality that the only supposedly quality newspaper of a small country should strive towards

    They might as well be in bed with French intelligence ...or sorry...

    cYp

    A breathtakingly stupid comment - writing articles for newspapers no longer qualifies as real work?? Wake up!
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