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    oh yeah, you are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    Less money.

    Can Ireland compete without subsidies that mitigate the effects of the high cost base here ?
    The answer is some can, but others can't


    As it is taxpayers have to cough up money so that foreigners can eat Irish produce. It is simply absurd.


    And that is before we account for the stuff taxpyers pay for and nobody in the world wants, which gets handed back in free Christmas cheese gveaways and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patfitzbally View Post
    the uk seem to have made a decision to block any increase in funding for the unaccountable eu budget.this seems reasonable,everyone in the world is suffering cutbacks.the trouble with the eu consensus politics is they often produce the wrong result.we need a king solomon in charge not a self serving socialist committee.
    They arent the only ones calling for cuts but they are the only ones calling for unreasonable cuts of 20%. Sweden is calling for a budget freeze and considering using a veto.

    The EU Budget: The Truth

    94% of the budget goes back to member states and only 6% is spend on administration. That and plenty more points as to why cuts of 20% would be harmful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kvran View Post
    They arent the only ones calling for cuts but they are the only ones calling for unreasonable cuts of 20%. Sweden is calling for a budget freeze and considering using a veto.
    What is the level of reasonable cuts that the same EU is demanding of Ireland?



    As for the second part of your post.


    We give them 100. They cream 6 and give us back 94 and you reckon it would cost us to reduce the budget?


    Why don't we increase the budget 10 fold. We would get 940 back. Happy days!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    What is the level of reasonable cuts that the same EU is demanding of Ireland
    As for the second part of your post.
    We give them 100. They cream 6 and give us back 94 and you reckon it would cost us to reduce the budget?
    Why don't we increase the budget 10 fold. We would get 940 back. Happy days!!!!
    The EU budget has never run a deficit is only 1.05% of EU GDP (compared to close to 50% in most member states). Administrative reform, which already started a few years ago, has already saved EU taxpayers €3 billion, and it is expected to generate another €5 billion in savings by 2020. The austerity programme is decided by the IMF and European Council. The Parliament has no formal role and the Commission only observation and reporting. If people supported a more active role for the Parliament there would probably be a greater focus on stimulus. In fact one of the reasons many MEPs and countries (such as Ireland) oppose cuts to the EU budget and support a modest increase is because the EU budget works as stimulus. €50 billion will be spend to fund transport, energy, and ICT priority infrastructures of pan-European interest, through the Connecting Europe Facility.

    They don't "cream" 6% off the top of what Ireland contributes. Countries like Germany and the Scandinavians contribute large amount more than they receive than money is then distributed through CAP, leader programme, structural funds and other programmes to countries such as Ireland who receive much more than they contributed. The money is redistributed to where its needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kvran View Post
    The EU budget has never run a deficit is only 1.05% of EU GDP (compared to close to 50% in most member states). Administrative reform, which already started a few years ago, has already saved EU taxpayers €3 billion, and it is expected to generate another €5 billion in savings by 2020. The austerity programme is decided by the IMF and European Council. The Parliament has no formal role and the Commission only observation and reporting. If people supported a more active role for the Parliament there would probably be a greater focus on stimulus. In fact one of the reasons many MEPs and countries (such as Ireland) oppose cuts to the EU budget and support a modest increase is because the EU budget works as stimulus. €50 billion will be spend to fund transport, energy, and ICT priority infrastructures of pan-European interest, through the Connecting Europe Facility.

    They don't "cream" 6% off the top of what Ireland contributes. Countries like Germany and the Scandinavians contribute large amount more than they receive than money is then distributed through CAP, leader programme, structural funds and other programmes to countries such as Ireland who receive much more than they contributed. The money is redistributed to where its needed.


    You make a very strong argument that handing over one trillion Euros to the unaccountable, unelected overpaid bureaucratic rule making machine is excellent value for my taxes.




    Ah hell, who am I kidding. You do in your bollocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kvran View Post
    The EU budget has never run a deficit is only 1.05% of EU GDP (compared to close to 50% in most member states). Administrative reform, which already started a few years ago, has already saved EU taxpayers €3 billion, and it is expected to generate another €5 billion in savings by 2020. The austerity programme is decided by the IMF and European Council. The Parliament has no formal role and the Commission only observation and reporting. If people supported a more active role for the Parliament there would probably be a greater focus on stimulus. In fact one of the reasons many MEPs and countries (such as Ireland) oppose cuts to the EU budget and support a modest increase is because the EU budget works as stimulus. €50 billion will be spend to fund transport, energy, and ICT priority infrastructures of pan-European interest, through the Connecting Europe Facility.

    They don't "cream" 6% off the top of what Ireland contributes. Countries like Germany and the Scandinavians contribute large amount more than they receive than money is then distributed through CAP, leader programme, structural funds and other programmes to countries such as Ireland who receive much more than they contributed. The money is redistributed to where its needed.
    The gamblers who gambled with Seanie Bonds and lost through their own inability to do their job properly ??????

    The rest of the above is "rose tinted glasses" nonsense.

    Did you know that the EU Court of Auditors has not signed off on the EU budget in fifteen years, because it is the lazy way of dealing with the amount of money that is wasted, misappropriated and "lost" ?

    Did you know that Kevin Cardiff produced the ultimate idiot guide of the Irish financial crisis, with his prognosis of the Irish banks "there are six banks, we auditted two of them, those two are solvent, therefore the other four are also solvent" ?

    And that Frank Ross, (ILP) then stated that "We need to talk about Kevin" was an excellent candidate for a role in the auditors.

    You literally could not make this stuff up. The process concerning Cardiff was unusual in that it produced a level of scrutiny rarely seen. But in the end support from the most Socialist group in the parlaiment and enough of the EPP meant that KC is now auditting the EU. And he is an accomplished failure in the auditting field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    The gamblers who gambled with Seanie Bonds and lost through their own inability to do their job properly ??????

    The rest of the above is "rose tinted glasses" nonsense.

    Did you know that the EU Court of Auditors has not signed off on the EU budget in fifteen years, because it is the lazy way of dealing with the amount of money that is wasted, misappropriated and "lost" ?

    Did you know that Kevin Cardiff produced the ultimate idiot guide of the Irish financial crisis, with his prognosis of the Irish banks "there are six banks, we auditted two of them, those two are solvent, therefore the other four are also solvent" ?

    And that Frank Ross, (ILP) then stated that "We need to talk about Kevin" was an excellent candidate for a role in the auditors.

    You literally could not make this stuff up
    . The process concerning Cardiff was unusual in that it produced a level of scrutiny rarely seen. But in the end support from the most Socialist group in the parlaiment and enough of the EPP meant that KC is now auditting the EU. And he is an accomplished failure in the auditting field.



    its fkin mad is what it is , yet there it is ongoing .

    truely fact is more strange than fiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    The gamblers who gambled with Seanie Bonds and lost through their own inability to do their job properly ??????

    The rest of the above is "rose tinted glasses" nonsense.

    Did you know that the EU Court of Auditors has not signed off on the EU budget in fifteen years, because it is the lazy way of dealing with the amount of money that is wasted, misappropriated and "lost" ?
    The money that is lost is lost at national level when it is distributed to corrupt national administrations. The Commission or the Auditors have been denied the power to follow it by the Council because money disappearing into the pockets of local politicians or pork barrel projects suits national governments just fine. IF you actual read the contents of auditors reports rather than regurgitating stuff from the mail or telegraph you would see that Fraud only accounts for 0.2% of the unaccounted money. The Commission actually manages to get much of the money back through other means. What's the Irish equivalent?

    As most of your issues stem from the failings of national governments and people call the EU unaccountable? What about Irish corruption 4m lost in Uganda, the money found down the back of couch, welfare fraud, junkets and no one has resigned. Bank guarantee done in this country, you point out the failings of our national auditors while highlight the backbone the EU court of auditors has to refuse to sign off due to 5% unaccounted. An EU commissioner resigned a couple weeks due to corruption and he's not accountable to an electorate only the Council and lesser extent parliament.

    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    Did you know that Kevin Cardiff produced the ultimate idiot guide of the Irish financial crisis, with his prognosis of the Irish banks "there are six banks, we auditted two of them, those two are solvent, therefore the other four are also solvent" ?

    And that Frank Ross, (ILP) then stated that "We need to talk about Kevin" was an excellent candidate for a role in the auditors.

    You literally could not make this stuff up. The process concerning Cardiff was unusual in that it produced a level of scrutiny rarely seen. But in the end support from the most Socialist group in the parlaiment and enough of the EPP meant that KC is now auditting the EU. And he is an accomplished failure in the auditting field.
    Again the Irish government appointed him to the court of auditors. The Council enforces this stupid process where the Parliament cant reject one candidate or the council will withdraw all their candidates. Funny you point the failings of the Irish auditor general, perhaps if Ireland had a power independent court of auditors like the EU, we wouldn't have some of the problems we have. Your issues are the failure of national Governments not the supranational institutions.

    I don't see you producing any statistics to contract did the ones I have provided?

    Your response irrational "knee jerk" reaction.
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