What is certain is that Cregan is going to spend a lot of time behind bars.

In England and Wales the killing of a police officer means an automatic prison sentence of 30 years minimum with no hope of parole before that time. Cregan killed two police officers so I'm assuming that he will be given at least 60 years in total for that.

However, English and Welsh law also states that someone who pre-plans and then commits a multiple murder should be sentenced to the rest of their life in prison without hope of parole - a whole life tariff. In other words they are sentenced to die in prison. This is the replacement for the death penalty and there are around 50 prisoners in England and Wales who are currently serving this sentence, including Huntley, the Yorkshire Ripper and Ian Brady (Brady and Hindley were captured by police in the area where the shooting of the two cops occurred). So it's also likely that Cregan will get that sentence for the murder of the cops if it is established that he pre-planned the killing, which seems to be the case

The unplanned killing of more than one person also means a minimum of 30 years in prison. So if he's found guilty of murdering the father and son, then he will be given another 30 years minimum - or another whole life tariff if he pre-planned it.

However, there are now calls, led by Lord Tebbitt - which I support - to bring back hanging in England and Wales for anyone who kills a police officer. This is something which needs to be introduced soon.

The former chairman of the Conservative Party rejected calls for the arming of police because it would "widen the gap which has grown between the police and the public in recent years".

But, he said, there had been "far too many killings" recently where it was impossible not to wonder if the threat of an "early dawn walk to the gallows" would have changed the actions of the perpetrator.

Originally Posted by parentheses

This incident is very untypical for Britain

I read recently that there's been an average of little more than one policeperson killed each year on active service over the past century. It is a low rate of deaths for such a populous country.

Since 1792, more than 4,000 British police officers have been killed in the line of duty.

In the UK, 277 police officers have been killed in the line of duty since 1945 - 256 shot and 21 stabbed, although the vast majority have been in Northern Ireland. 201 were shot in Northern Ireland; 51 were shot and 19 were stabbed in England; and four were shot and two were stabbed in Scotland. No police officer has been murdered in Wales since 1945.

Before yesterday, the last time more than one police officer was killed in a single incident in England and Wales was on 12th August 1966 when armed robber Harry Roberts and an accomplice shot and killed three officers near Wormwood Scrubs prison in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham (below). Det Con David Wombwell, Sgt Christopher Head and PC Geoffrey Fox died when they stopped a van in Shepherd's Bush, west London.



On 12th December 1966, Roberts (below) was sentenced to a minimum of 30 years in jail for the murders. He remains in prison to this day, making him one of the UK's longest-serving prisoners. He is currently in Littlehey prison in Cambridgeshire where he works in the library. In April 2009 it was alleged that while working at an animal sanctuary on day release, Roberts made violent threats to the owners




Before this latest incident, the last time a female police officer was killed was November 2005 when PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead during a bungled robbery in Morley Street, Bradford.

Before her, you had to go back to 1984 to see the killing of a British female police officer when WPC Yvonne Fletcher was shot dead outside the Libyan Embassy in London's St James's Square.

How many thousands have they killed in that time ?

Originally Posted by TheLastLazyGun

But, he said, there had been "far too many killings" recently where it was impossible not to wonder if the threat of an "early dawn walk to the gallows" would have changed the actions of the perpetrator.

Rubbish. The death penalty is (ab)used in many US states, yet their murder rate is far higher. Making scumbags like this guy spend 50+ years inside with no chance of seeing daylight is a far more daunting sentence than an easy execution by lethal injection.

Originally Posted by TheLastLazyGun

However, English and Welsh law also states that someone who pre-plans and then commits a multiple murder should be sentenced to the rest of their life in prison without hope of parole - a whole life tariff. In other words they are sentenced to die in prison. This is the replacement for the death penalty and there are around 50 prisoners in England and Wales who are currently serving this sentence, including Huntley, the Yorkshire Ripper and Ian Brady (Brady and Hindley were captured by police in the area where the shooting of the two cops occurred). So it's also likely that Cregan will get that sentence for the murder of the cops if it is established that he pre-planned the killing, which seems to be the case

The unplanned killing of more than one person also means a minimum of 30 years in prison. So if he's found guilty of murdering the father and son, then he will be given another 30 years minimum - or another whole life tariff if he pre-planned it.

However, there are now calls, led by Lord Tebbitt - which I support - to bring back hanging in England and Wales for anyone who kills a police officer. This is something which needs to be introduced soon.

The former chairman of the Conservative Party rejected calls for the arming of police because it would "widen the gap which has grown between the police and the public in recent years".

But, he said, there had been "far too many killings" recently where it was impossible not to wonder if the threat of an "early dawn walk to the gallows" would have changed the actions of the perpetrator.

For the UK to bring back the death penalty they will have to leave the EU and the Council of Europe membership of which both require the outlawing of the death penalty.

Originally Posted by gijoe

For the UK to bring back the death penalty they will have to leave the EU and the Council of Europe membership of which both require the outlawing of the death penalty.

Or we can just tell the EU to get stuffed and keep their noses out of our business.

Either one of those options suits me just fine.

Originally Posted by Polaris555

How many thousands have they killed in that time ?

You are sad little man, the love and compassion of a mother was clearly wasted on you.

Originally Posted by Warrior of Destiny

You are sad little man, the love and compassion of a mother was clearly wasted on you.

So Police lives are worth more then those they kill ?

Jean Charles de Menezes (pronounced [ʒeˈɐ̃ ˈʃahlis dʒi meˈnezis] in Brazilian Portuguese; 7 January 1978 – 22 July 2005) was a Brazilian man shot dead by the London Metropolitan police at Stockwell tube station

.....Wheres your compassion you nasty piece of work.

Originally Posted by Polaris555

So Police lives are worth more then those they kill ?

Jean Charles de Menezes (pronounced [ʒeˈɐ̃ ˈʃahlis dʒi meˈnezis] in Brazilian Portuguese; 7 January 1978 – 22 July 2005) was a Brazilian man shot dead by the London Metropolitan police at Stockwell tube station

.....Wheres your compassion you nasty piece of work.

Start a separate thread and discuss it there. Stop hi-jacking this thread for your own perverted agenda.

Originally Posted by eoghanacht

Polaris/kimora

It takes a special type of scumbag to troll a thread about two people who were killed in the line of duty, not like two soldiers killed ion a warzone who would have been fully aware that the situation they were entering into had a high chance of resulting in death but two PC plods just trying to earn a crust and do some good for their community.


Your trolling of an RIP thread would make cappywillard blush.

You total goul.

Then again we have Cai using these two horrible deaths to have a dig at the RUC in the NI forum.

Why don't RUC deaths count as far as the BBC is concerned?