11 men on trial for sexually grooming and exploiting underage girls in Rochdale

[Picasso Republic]

Any statistics for this kind of "grooming" in Pakistan itself? Does it happen there?

If not, I wonder why?

Dont know about actual grooming, however it is common practice for yourng girls to be 'paired off' against their will with much older men (using the word marriage would be doing the word a disservice).

Their approach to Rape is interesting to say the least, as it is the woman who is punished (normally stoned or burned to death) - one would imagine the logic is that she provided the temptation.

[MichaelR]

Is there any evidence at all that the victims were white? (I mean the case in the OP).

Not like that tradition is oh so friendly to its own women. In fact, it tends to be very harsh on them if they adopt Western ways. Harsher than on Western women proper. They may well see a Pakistani girl as "open for everything" if she does not wear a headscarf etc.

[Trampas]

Seems much more plausible to me that it was done within a Pakistani community with full consent of the families.

If that is true, it is still quite reprehensible and deserves harsh punishment. But in this scenario it is in no way an attack on "the natives".

Sorry to debunk your hopeful "scenario". The girls were white and most came from "broken" homes....so no baseball bat wielding Da to worry about. The outrages most certainly did not take place within Pakistani communities.

[MichaelR]

OK got it - did more googling too.

I think one more person should be prosecuted too - the police official who decided not to act on the initial report.

[Johnny Boy]

It says in the Koran when a girl bleeds she is ready for sex.

They are disgusting b........ds

It says in the Christian bible that adulterers should be stoned to death.

They are disgusting b........ds.

[bob3344]

It says in the Christian bible that adulterers should be stoned to death.

They are disgusting b........ds.

Yawn.

Would this be in the old testament that no-one follows ?

Any examples of christians actually stoning an adulterer to death ?

[Andy4571]

It says in the Christian bible that adulterers should be stoned to death.

They are disgusting b........ds.

Please name a country that uses Biblical laws and punishments as its laws. Thanks.

[teapot]

Well unless you're trying to imply that these despicable crimes are evidence of something greater then no that post isn't racist.

So are you implying that these incidents are evidence of something greater.

No I am not implying that these crimes are evidence of something greater (whatever that something might be...) I am stating that this particular crime was allegedly committed by a group of men acting together, in concert if you will, to facilitate the commision of the crime each by himself and together with the others - ie a conspiracy which allegedly came to fruition in the actual commission of the crime by all of them. Now, when persons conspire there are usually some common denominators - 11 guys just don't happen to be in the bus station one evening and get into a huddle and plan a crime. So I examined the common denominator(s) in this group - they lived in Rochdale; they knew or were related to one another; some of them had common occupations, and they were all from a group in Society where free movement among the greater female population is possibly difficult and a group which, to many observers puts men very much ahead of and in control of females. Therefore the alleged crime was to conspire to and then to actually exploit young and available females whose morals had been subverted by drink and drugs I am aware that alcohol is non-Islamic, but so is murder, isn't it? Or adultery, eh? One will have to look further to see if there are any other common denominators which would make a conspiracy by these men likely.. One can make up one's own mind.

And in the interests of space, typing, etc., I would draw other posters' attention to what I have just posted.

[papaquebec]

You're referring to this: "At the same time police in Lancashire were forced to admit they had known the seriousness of the problem for at least a decade but had "bowed to cultural sensitivities""

Not really much to go on there, tbh.

"The police are being blamed for not having done enough to fully address the issue of young girls being groomed for sexual exploitation by Asian men. Mick Gradwell, a retired east Lancashire detective superintendent, tells the Daily Mail: "The main pressure police have is being called institutionally racist if they highlight a crime trend like this. There's a fantastic reluctance to be absolutely straight because some people may take such offence."

Although the Daily Mail is mentioned above, the actual quote is from the Guardian!!

[Don Herron]

I hope all you racists are happy now. This story shows exactly why this story should never have been highlighted: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105835/Mob-200-youths-pelt-police-bricks-smash-shops-anger-going-sex-grooming-trial.html?ITO=socialnet-twitter-mailonline