In Mail on Sunday and other press today. Unacceptable and surely proof of what state-owned monopolies do - rip ppl off. Privatise Bus Eireann and Dublin Bus now! I recognise the PDs do not have the transport-ministry but would strongly urge the party to recommend privatisation in the manfesto for the GE and the prior breakup of CIE beforehand. This cannot go on.
Yes, privatisation of the trains has worked magnificently in the UK....
And let us not forget the dazzling success that is Eircom - there's a poster boy for the problems with privatisation if ever there was one.
Privatisation would mean that the only rail lines that would remain open would be the Dublin Cork and Dublin Belfast services. Even the DART doesn't pay for itself.
But the cost to the economy if they were done away with would be far greater.
Actually just to clarify I did not mean to include Iarnróid Eireann but just Bus Eireann and Dublin Bus. I agree that privatising the railways would not work but it's different with the other 2. Competition has been demonstrated abroad to be perfectly feasible and when other areas of transport were freed from the tyranny of state-monopoly prices went down and routes increased e.g. Ryanair. Why not for the bus sector? We need smaller govt and better govt.Originally Posted by Wolverine
Again you run into the same problem - Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann run at a loss, every day.
Don't lose sleep over it - Dublin Bus actually run closer to a profit than many other similar systems in Europe.
If you privatise something, it's run at a profit only - nothing else matters. However if you want to take a broader view then you will have to subsidise a public transport system if you want to make a difference to congestion.
I'm sure you'll agree with me that the biggest priority is to reduce the traffic congestion in Dublin and the country - it costs €3 bn annually to the economy. Compared to that the subvention for CIE is chickenfeed.
The sevice can and should be run better but privatisation is not the option. What's good for Dublin and Ireland is more important than what's good for the profit margins of the owners.
Of course privatisation is not the answer. Only a buffoon would suggest that Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann should be sold. Why not just get off your arses and fund them properly. The botch job of the bus services in Dublin by ex-PD Cullen and the ideological battle over this issue has left the city at a greater standstill than ever. 20 buses in 6 years and empty QBC's; that's the transport legacy of PD/FF non-governance. The only thing you can agree on is that we need motorways and lots of em, regardless of the demand or environmental concerns. If it wasn't for health, justice and education, transport would almost certainly be the biggest failure of this government
We need to radically change every system that has enabled the wholesale destruction of the Irish landscape, rural and urban. There is no time for incremental step by step measures. The systems have failed utterly and the only hope for a real recovery requires the rule book to be torn up completely.
yup, they pay more to private operators than we do to CIE, its ideological nonsense like the biggest rip-off in the modern sttate that is the PPP/PFI money making churn. .... or the liberalisation of electricity leading to high prices when prior to this we had the second lowest prices in Europe.
The message from big business representatives to government is -Keep paying your taxes/charges you middle and lower income groups we need you feed those pubic/private partnerships in adfinitum!-
Eh wait a sec, you probably know full well, that you are not comparing like with like (if you're not then you're a bigger monomanical idiot than you already are).
Both private and public airlines were charging high prices.
The low price came in when the idea that was bus in the air travel was introduced. Try as you might to associate it with privatisation, and lower employee pay and conditions that aint what produced the lower prices.
Plus I can't really remember which buses, prior to privatisation, were serving food and had a form of "cultural cache" associated with taking the number 10 into the city centre?
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I don't see any reason to privatise CIE and Dublin Bus. Are there any?
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A: Freedom from union-blackmail.
B: Competition to bring down prices.
C: Proceeds to help either building infrastructure or the National Pensions Reserve Fund as with Eircom privatisation.
No.
What costs are CIE using to justify the 9% anybody? In any case they wont get the full 9% and they probably know it which is why they went in so high.
Well the MOS is claiming Martin Cullen is likely to approve this scandalous rip-off. This is what you get with a monopoly - raising prices through the heavens. Can't believe he used to be a PD. But then again, maybe he really does belong in FF - especially the statist wing that believes in the state meddling in industry regardless of the consequences for the consumer.No.
What costs are CIE using to justify the 9% anybody? In any case they wont get the full 9% and they probably know it which is why they went in so high.
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